Welcome And What We Review

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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for tuning in to the WBM podcast. This is one of your hosts, it's your boy Mercury. Yo, it's your boy X Fer. And it's your boy Oscar in the mid. Guys, we got a good one for you today. What are we talking about? We're talking about first and foremost anime called Scarlet. If you guys haven't checked it, many are gonna watch that.

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And I checked out Michael in theater, so let's talk a little bit about it.

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You've been hit by criminal. The boys, a little bit of the boys as well. That's what we're doing.

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Yeah, the first four episodes are.

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Oi, oi, oi.

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Let's talk about it. Anyway, uh, yeah, man, that's a big deal.

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But uh, we're excited, we're getting ready for it, and uh, we hope you guys tune in are excited for this one.

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And don't forget for your weekly comic to Lisa update. That's right. Weekly.

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Here we go!

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Byewikis are they saying?

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Why? Why tell them that is human nature? Why? Why do you need to be that way?

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I forgot how much I love that song. Bro, that was one of my favorites, man. I actually forgot that the second B in the second album in uh in Thriller. I didn't realize that song was that old.

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Bro, I couldn't believe that that wasn't the diamond album. Like that, or it's double triple diamond at this point.

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It blows my mind how freaking how big thriller is.

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It's obscene, dog. Diamond, nobody has diamond anymore. Hockey is real, bro. Hockey is real. Hockey? Hockey. Oh, hockey, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

Yes, that's totally was obscene. His conquerors hockey was awesome. Was real. You don't get that in the movie, huh? You don't get to the conquer hill with hockey because the movie ends in bad.

Scarlet Anime Hamlet Reimagined

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Not not quite, yeah, not quite. Um, do you want to start talking about Michael or Scarlett anime? Yeah, I said Scarlett. Okay, okay, okay. Let's jump to Scarlet really. Perfect. We're still yarding. But that was a piece. That was an absolute piece. We're gonna talk about Michael in a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 1:53

Yeah, and even the Scarlet tease I'm gonna give you guys right now, it's just uh it's just a sneak peek. I'm trying to sell the actual the film to you guys, the movie to you guys. It is phenomenal. So my girlfriend put me on it. She was the one who told me, hey, there's an anime that came out, and uh, it recently just hit either Netflix or Hulu or Prime or something like that. It was like six bucks for us to rent it. So we checked it out. I had no idea what the concept of the premise was, and basically a real phone Scarlet. Is it is it a series or a movie? Single movie. Single movie, single movie, about an hour and a half, hour 45. Not not too long at all. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

But basically what I actually heard of this. Bro! He knows the concept, he's a really interesting.

SPEAKER_03 2:30

Give me a synopsis because you made a synopsis, please.

SPEAKER_07 2:34

Okay, well, synopsis is 17 anime, there's a kingdom, something tragic happens, girl dedicates her life, something happens to said girl, a guy from the future ends up seeing her in this one specific plane, they end up having an interaction with each other and experiencing everybody from all aspects and walks of life, some different areas. So it's really cool. Like whenever people go to let's say the afterlife at this point, right? You are met with people from like different cultures. So you'll see people from India, from Ghana, you'll see people from America, you'll see people from Native America, time aspects and all different lives, and it's nobody in the same, it's not like uh we both pass together, we're gonna see each other there. No, you're gonna see somebody from the 1300s as a pilgrim, as an example, whatever, uh a Viking who's there as well, and somebody else is a right. And it's and they're all on this journey, and and and you see people who who are betrayed, who people who who lose their trust, and then you still see people who are still willing to do good, and you're like, oh wow, this is beautiful, and then these giant battles happen, there's a freaking sick ass dragon scene. I don't mind them say, but oh my god, the visuals look so cool.

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Because life is lenient, but when they die, it's like it could be like somebody died from fucking 10 centuries ago. Just experiencing that.

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But you it's been a day for him as an example.

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Yeah, and I just got shot in in World War I, not like bro, I just had cancer in the year 30,000 to 500.

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30,000 percent.

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Just like that.

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But the visuals, the visuals, the story's amazing, don't get me wrong.

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I know it's nominated for film of the year for the upcoming Crunchyroll Anime Award.

SPEAKER_07 4:05

I had no idea. So my girlfriend was the one who told me that Jess is the one who's like, hey, this is actually not for anime of the year, we gotta check it out.

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I was like, I don't even know. Like, what is it? Anime movie of the year.

SPEAKER_07 4:13

Yeah, and I was like, I don't know. But she's like, always for the Oscars and shit like that. She's like, we gotta watch, we gotta check it out, right? And I'm like, okay, but it's nominated for the Oscars? No, anime of the year.

SPEAKER_05 4:21

Anime film anime film, anime film of the year uh for the Crunchyroll Awards that are happening next month.

SPEAKER_07 4:26

Yeah, okay, okay, okay. So that's what put it on her radar. She was checking out for a while, but anyway, I digress. There's a really cool, and this is you know me, I'm the music god. There's a musical scene, bro, that comes out of nowhere, and you're like, What? But it hits so good, dog. I'm telling you, the it's in a phenomenal anime. Okay, go and check it out.

SPEAKER_05 4:41

You know what's the craziest thing about it? It's a reimagining of Hamlet.

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Yes.

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That's what he said.

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That he was like, bro, it sounds very Hamlet whenever I started describing it to him. There's a plot overall, like the beginning of the story was like, bro, this is literally Hamlet. Oh, that's right. Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_05 4:58

So I hate the uncle because he kills the Japanese take on Hamlet, and then they introduce the whole time family aspect.

SPEAKER_07 5:06

I haven't watched it before we do talk about Hamlet. We talk about Hamlet, yeah. So it's a full circle if you guys want to know about the story of Hamlet. But anyway, like I said, this the story itself is already amazing, but the visuals are so phenomenal. It's a really cool mix of 2D, 3D animation. There's some points. It's it reminds me of like uh Arcane mixed with 2D Hero X, mixed with Tribe and Stampede. Because they're like the 2D, 3D aspects, but they push it to an uh to a level that I'm like, damn, is this 3D? Or did they just take a picture of a scenery and then they just added these these 3D drawings to it because it looks so real dog in moments, and I'm blown away with the stuff.

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It's the future of anime.

SPEAKER_07 5:41

Yes. I thought like this is where they're pushed it. I'm like, oh, this is what happens if they push PS5 graphics to their limits. This is it.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

Like watching the Ghibli film in the 80s and be like, wow, this is what I can't believe they did it. Yeah. And now it's okay, wow. It's good. Scarlet, check it out. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Lulu. Check it out. Sure. We're gonna do the episode again about the whole thing, you know.

SPEAKER_05 6:01

Yeah, I I'm gonna watch it. Watch it so we can talk about it. I'm definitely gonna watch it before the Anime Awards. Okay, so if it's if it was the movie of the year, I'm down.

SPEAKER_07 6:09

I'll watch it too. I want you guys to heard the speech. Go and check it out. Scarlet, ladies and gentlemen, is the film that you guys cannot miss.

Moonwalker Memories Set The Tone

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Speaking of films, stick and stick and get the. I remember his movies in Mexico, and I was like shocked to see it was Joe Petri as a pavilion. And it was a spider organization because he had a spider pet or some shit. Oh. And he'd be trying to hunt Michael Jackson because he was like a star child or something. Remember that?

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That movie, yeah.

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And then they cornered him, he turns into a car.

SPEAKER_05 6:37

Yeah, he turns into a car. And he's trying to protect the kids. Yeah. That's a very interesting guy.

SPEAKER_07 6:41

Very animated. Even then trying to protect the kids, man.

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Message!

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Message! He was telling you all along. Yeah, bro.

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He walked into a secret organization dressed in the nines, riding all dressed like gangsters or criminals.

SPEAKER_05 6:56

Yeah, the small criminal music video is in the movie. Oh, is that where that comes from? Yeah, the kids, the kids like that movie that's like, well, you know how there's some random kids in the video. That's you were like, where the fuck does kids come from? That's from the plot line from the movie. Diabolical.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

Yeah, that's the whole video of like you've been hit bass. You must bass. A smooth criminal.

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Anyways, I guess the only spoiler, the only real spoiler we're gonna go over.

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Is he returns and does the adventure?

SPEAKER_05 7:28

Damn. And it gives you the the hope that there's gonna be a Michael part two. An adventures does that. So that's the only big spoiler that we actually only get his story up to 1994, which is the Victory Tour. The Victory Tour was actually the last tour of the Jackson 5.

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They talked about how that was a bad tour.

SPEAKER_05 7:49

It had a lot of issues, but like basically we had his early career up to the end of Jackson 5. His last performance with the Jackson 5. The end of the victory tour. And then there's a sequence they they wanted to cap up the movie with a better sequence, so I'm guessing that's why they threw in the London concert to show him that he eventually got to better bigger things. Uh but the movie just goes up to 1994, really.

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I've never known some uh Victory Tour? Yeah, of course.

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So the what I just recently found out in the story was they Joe Jackson and who was Mike Tyson's terrible promoter back in the day.

SPEAKER_05 8:27

Oh Don King. So that's that's that's in the movie. Joe Jackson in America the what it feels like some of the stories cut out of the moody, but it that part is in the movie. Joe Jackson makes a deal with Don King for the big tour for Michael to go on tour with the Jackson 5 because he's solid trailer, he's doing so well. So they they tr they planned that tour for and plan the promotion. But at that time, Joe Jackson didn't even have the you know, didn't even know that Michael was gonna come back.

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It was actually the ticket sales, is the interesting part about it. So back in the day they had people mail in$120 just for the chance to enter a lottery to be able to buy tickets, and four tickets at a point. And$120 back in the day, I think it was like$300,000 some odd dollars now. Just for the chance. So while this was going on, they had this money sitting in front of a bank account earning interest, right? While they were going through this entire duration of time, and then some people never even got the opportunity to buy these tickets. A little girl writes Michael because he's like, This is not right. I don't want to, I'm not okay with this, I don't want to do this. And he doesn't, it doesn't matter if he gets outvoted by his brothers. A little girl who's like five or eight years old, I'll say eight years old, writes Michael Jackson directly and was like, Hey, I wanted to buy the 50 to go to your show, and I wasn't even able to because I don't have 120 bucks. Michael felt so guilty about this when there was a press conference, he goes and he's like, you know what? I'm not keeping any of my funds, I'm donating all my earnings to a children's charity for a cancer of some sort, leukemia, for the children's hospital. But of course, all his brothers and and Joe all got their cut. They did not donate theirs. But Michael went about his way and actually donated because he knew that what they were doing was wrong.

Victory Tour Pepsi Fire And Joe

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So some of those stories, I mean, you don't see some of that in the movie. You do see a little bit in the movie. Uh, because one of the deals that one of the things that they show that happens in the lead up to the 1994 tour was that Don King and Joe Jackson got a big promotion with Pepsi. And they showed the Pepsi incident.

SPEAKER_07 10:22

What happened? Wait, what, what, what's it? Oh, well, that's when he tried to do that spin and almost turn out that fire at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 10:29

No, like I think like the fire just went off. It was a pyro, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:33

But yeah, all the no, but yeah, that stuff in his hair, that product, and that's what made his hair catch on fire.

SPEAKER_05 10:37

His hair cut on fire. And he tried to spin to put that shit out. I mean, he was just freaking out, I'm guessing. Yeah, yeah. That shit's hot.

SPEAKER_03 10:44

That shit's hot. I mean, he was hair with the fire.

SPEAKER_07 10:47

The moment you put your hands. No, it worked. Look at the video, he turned that shit out with a single spin. I'm like, he defied physics and took away all the wind.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

Like the moment you put your hand on the stomach, you're like, ah, imagine that shit for one, long, three long seconds, bro. For like three hours in his head, bro.

SPEAKER_05 11:03

There's no way, yeah. So that's definitely in the movie. And but that's it. It's so funny because some people, some people don't know too much about it, because if you weren't alive, that happened in 1983. So if you weren't alive back then, yeah, nobody and they don't they don't talk about it later on. Like Michael didn't want never wanted to talk about it. And so it was kind of one of those things that happened, and you didn't know about it.

SPEAKER_07 11:25

Yeah, I didn't well. I mean, okay, well, you said the Pepsi is here. Was it a Pepsi concert?

SPEAKER_05 11:28

Pepsi commercial, it was a Pepsi commercial, it's the sponsorship from the from the Victory too. It was a taping of a Pepsi, the Pepsi commercial.

SPEAKER_07 11:35

Really? I thought it was a concert, a performance that went wrong, and that's what happened.

SPEAKER_05 11:38

And it happened because, like, that's the thing. Like, he was only in that because he was forced into it by Joe Jackson. Joe Jackson. So that's that's what the movie that's how the movie kind of portrays it. I don't know how. No, that makes sense. Again, I feel like that's the one. But that's how the movie portrays it. That Pepsi that Pepsi incident was tied to the Victory Tour, which he got forced into by Joe Jackson because at that time he, you know, he still had that that much influence over him. Which in the movie, then you the movie stars in the Jackson Power, of course, them as kids. And you see that that he beat him up whenever he got he was a kid, you know, he put the belt to him.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 12:12

And uh all throughout the the early movie, you see kind of Jack Michael be like scared of him to a certain extent. So we don't I mean I'm guessing he kind of beat him more than a few times.

SPEAKER_07 12:22

Oh, yeah, no, bro.

SPEAKER_05 12:23

That was a change. He must have been traumatized from a thousand percent. And of course he had full control of the young Brink Spirit.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

There's a movie about BH1 about that. I was trying to look for the movies, but if the if the young actor that voiced Simba in the 90s movie who interpreted uh Michael Jackson, and then in the early the movie, it was mostly Michael was not part of the Jackson group. It was like uh what's his name? The older brothers, but yeah, Michael was like was like, let's say three or four, he was still a baby, but we're like, I want to join, I don't want to join, because you know he just joined his brothers, right? And then you hear Joe hears Michael sing like legit for the first time.

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He's like, Jackson, five minutes, you know?

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Yeah, I remember one of the scenes where like Michael wanted to play, but he was like, No, get your hands on, you gotta practice, because you have to practice and practice and practice. And he wouldn't listen, so he used to make like damn go off the tree. They showed him in the movie, go get that stick boy, like he'll go to his own tree branch, pick the stick, the switch, that's gonna all that used to whip it. Like, you have to pick the stick yourself, you know.

SPEAKER_05 13:27

That's interesting. I think I I guess they should have in this movie up to an effect. You see it in one scene where he walks up and he grabbed a belt from the from the closet, and then the door closes, you know. Yeah, he used to be the bell. That was it, he like grabbed his own belt for the beating, you know.

SPEAKER_03 13:42

They say that Joe was really a frustrating musician because he himself was a musician. Like he used to play the guitar, he used to go to group bands, he wanted to be a rock star, but it just the dream never happened. So he forced his kids to be like be musician, be musicians. So he forced his kids to what they you know became the Jackson 5.

SPEAKER_07 13:58

He he made a diamond, unfortunately, with all the pressure he found on my kids.

SPEAKER_05 14:01

That's the thing. Like at the end of the day, he's like, everything I've done, I did for this family, and like who thought a kid from Indiana was gonna have the greatest selling record in his whole time?

SPEAKER_06 14:11

I did. And I was like, and I was like, he's definitely the bad guy.

SPEAKER_05 14:17

Well, that was a good line. But he's like, who thought a poor kid from Gary? Uh Gary, is that what it's from? Gary Indiana. Yeah, who thought a kid from a kid poor from Gary was gonna have the best selling record of all time? I did. And I was like, such a bad man.

SPEAKER_06 14:33

Such a bad guy. I'm bad, I'm bad. Like hyped up, bro. Like Joe. That's a villain lunch, but then you're like, damn.

SPEAKER_07 14:48

That's all it is, dog.

SPEAKER_03 14:49

If he says that if Michael Jackson says it himself, like, bro, shout out to Joe for Thriller.

SPEAKER_05 14:56

PYT, again the movie just kind of like jumps through the highlights and it jumps quick. So you see the Jackson 5, you see them perform at perform at uh at uh at uh when did it perform? They signed by Motown and then you know they moved to California. Then we moved to 1978, and Michael signs with Epic Records, and that's when he does Off the Wall with Quincy Jones. That was when he hired his own lawyer and he fired uh Joe as his manager around that time. Yeah, when he in uh in my 1991, he wanted to do another album, and that's when he finally fired his dad. In 1991? 81 81. So in 78, Off the Wall came out. By 81, he wanted to do another one. He hired a lawyer, his lawyer that was with him for most of his career, played by Malfteller. Oh, really? So he carries that lawyer and he fires his dad as manager. Is this really the movie? They should have the movie, but uh, isn't it? It's real brief, and then we just kind of move on to the next thing.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

Yeah, that's that's not like the climax of the movie the bottom boy, yeah. No, it's not even the climax, huh?

SPEAKER_05 16:03

That's not even the climax, it's real brief, like he sent the facts and you know, Joe got the facts. And then he confronted Michael with it. It's like you didn't even have the you know decency to see me in the eye. No, no, and it's another one of those scenes where she kind of intimidates Michael. And throughout the movie, they show uh multiple scenes where it's like Joe was just this intimidating force over Michael, you know, yeah, that makes sense. And you can kind of see how he could have manipulated up to a certain extent. Yeah. I mean, it was real cool because after that, the that's the next big thing would be the thriller album. Right. So they should they that's when they kind of fled the story out a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

They showed a lot of the uh, it's one of the greatest avenging albums of all time.

SPEAKER_05 16:45

Of all time, thriller, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:47

Like it's up there. Like what else is up there? Elvis is Elvis. But Elvis never left the country.

SPEAKER_07 16:52

That's a sad thing, too. Yeah. Sinatra at least left, right?

SPEAKER_03 16:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 16:56

Sure, sure. I'm sure he did it.

SPEAKER_05 16:57

Oh, I'm gonna go. Take off. Uh trivia about beat it. I didn't know that he hired, like, he hired gang members of Crips and Blood to be in the actual B-ded music video.

SPEAKER_06 17:07

Wait, seriously? That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 17:08

Apparently, that's when the big gang wars were going on in LA. So he hired members to come together and be in the music videos, beat it.

SPEAKER_07 17:14

No, what bro, he was the force to be reckoned with. He stopped gang violence for a music video. That's how well we started. I mean, that's the video.

SPEAKER_03 17:22

The favelas, yeah. The favelas were like, but wouldn't mean I put touch a case. Peace, bro, peace. It's Michael.

SPEAKER_07 17:26

Michael's here.

SPEAKER_03 17:27

Please, bro. What's the night? They did the right thing. Because it made you think like, oh, it's so pretty out there. Everybody's so nice. I want to go to Brazil and then, like, no, bro, they just did that that one hour. What I think is that. Yeah, you can't walk there for real, bro. Michael, only Michael could do that. Only Michael could do that, bro.

SPEAKER_07 17:43

No, oh, I wasn't gonna give that fun fact that I had about why. Oh, human nature.

SPEAKER_05 17:49

Human nature is in the in the thriller album.

SPEAKER_07 17:52

Okay, so I saw just again another recent story on this one that was really cool that I thought was interesting. Was Michael Jackson was never supposed to get that song. A gentleman wrote that song, and I wish I I'll add his name somewhere in here.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Please add it in the comments.

SPEAKER_07 18:05

Yeah, let's know in the comments where he was talking about how his daughter came up to him, and his daughter was like anywhere between the age of the five etc. And this little boy came up being mean to her and like pushed her, hit her, did something, right? And she was crying, she was like, Why, Dad? Why does it have to be like this? And he's like, How do I explain this? Is just how kids are, how do I explain human nature to a child?

SPEAKER_05 18:24

Yeah. So where that song, he's like, he probably likes you on his human nature, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 18:29

So how explaining that to a child, though, right? So he's like, So it maybe want to start writing the song, and then he makes the whole thing, why? Why tell him that is human nature? Why do you do me that way? Right? I mean, it's the same thing. So he writes his whole thing and he plays the version that he wrote, right?

SPEAKER_03 18:46

He's not getting jams everywhere, like there was one of the you can't have the baby, yeah, yeah, then don't have the baby, yeah, yeah. Um time on time, don't stop. I was telling what time I'm done, go stop.

SPEAKER_05 18:57

I'm saying, that's that's in the movie, like he has a whole scene in the movie when he's like brainstorming in the studio, and he has like sticky notes everywhere, and when he's sticking notes, Mama Sam, Mama Sam Makusa.

SPEAKER_07 19:07

Ah, the songs the homeboy made, he didn't like them. But he just let this music continue to play while he was moving around his office. He heard the other song, Human Nature, and he was like, It was Quincy Jones.

SPEAKER_05 19:17

It was Quincy Jones, the producer. Yeah, the producer heard the song from it was for Toto.

SPEAKER_04 19:25

Quincy Jones heard the demo of it, and then he took it and rewrote it for Michael. Yeah, and but a lot of that hook that we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_07 19:33

It's all Michael's like that's that guy's original part and he gave it to him. Yes, but I don't think he ever made credit for it. He's like, So to see that it waits so far, did he try to get me?

SPEAKER_02 19:44

I'm looking at the man in the mirror. I'm telling him to change his ways. Um better place, just look at yourself and make us change. I wonder, I wonder if they're gonna Woo! Woo!

SPEAKER_05 20:04

In the part two, they have to like see like work is process. Yeah, because remember, those early songs are not as Michael Five as you would like see in the later songs. What are you doing? Are you in the three? Like in the in the early songs, you got thriller and human nature and Billy Gina. Billy Gina. Yeah, in the movie they showed the Motown performance, that big Motow performance, yeah, like like super famous, where he like I don't know if he's like the light walk.

SPEAKER_07 20:28

The stepping lights, right?

SPEAKER_05 20:29

No, the Motow performance, the live performance.

SPEAKER_07 20:32

When he did the moonwalk for the first time.

SPEAKER_05 20:33

When he did the moonwalk for the first time, yeah. So that was a big moment in the movie. That was a big moment in the movie. Because that's a that's a milestone of his career. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:41

That's that's like the fine, like that's what made him does superstar in life.

SPEAKER_07 20:45

Well, he just won from Minster music, you know, but whatever. That's okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

Yes, yes, everyone, but like Michael.

SPEAKER_05 20:51

I mean, yeah, the moonwalk wasn't like yeah, but it's he didn't invent it. He didn't reinvented it for us now. Like in the movie, like it shows that he actually took like the inspiration, the cribs are crib walk-in. Oh the bloods are like you know their own thing. No, they're pop blocking, and then you can kind of see those influences in Michael's dancing if you think about it.

SPEAKER_07 21:10

Oh, Bob Fosse is also a really big influence as well. Like his pop and locking aspects, which is a bunch of Fossey shit, is really definitely influential for Michael as well. Yeah. The more you know, the more you know. Alright, where are we at now? Did we finish the movie? What did you rate it at the end? Yeah.

Style Health Rumors And MTV Power

SPEAKER_05 21:23

Oh, well, yeah. I mean, because that's it. Uh, after the thriller album, he got really famous and he wanted to keep doing his own thing, but then then we get the the Joe Jackson thing and the victory tour of the Pepsi incident. Right.

SPEAKER_03 21:34

Pike, like, looking down in a rational pick, he did look a lot like a high-level, like, anime character. Like, he is like the general shoulder pads do go tough. Like, like the socks, the high socks, white with the loafers in the pants, like only he could wear that. And you're like, like it makes sense. Like, I always look like a clown if I wear what he wearing, but like his this him. Like it made sense. Like, I don't know. Is that hard to explain? Like a glove, bro?

SPEAKER_07 22:04

Only look, only off a jumpsuit, right? Who else pulls off a jumpsuit beside Elvis? Prime Elvis. Nobody, no, nobody. Nobody. You got one dude who's uh in the blue jumpsuit, did that backflip always seems like one high pitched song. But I mean, like, it's not the same. Elvis rocked that shit in too, bro. And Elvis no. Who can do shoulder pads now? Nobody, bro. Nobody can pull out shoulder pads and make that shit look tough.

SPEAKER_05 22:24

I was speaking of like shoulder pads and weird styles. There's a joke in the movie that just came in that he's like waiting for inspiration to hit him. It's like I gotta be open to it, otherwise, God is gonna give it to Prince.

SPEAKER_06 22:34

That's that joke.

SPEAKER_05 22:35

I told you that's in the movie. That's awesome.

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That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05 22:40

Because Prayers pulled up shoulder pads.

SPEAKER_03 22:49

Okay, it's kind of tough.

SPEAKER_05 22:50

That's tough. Fucking movie. Tough Michael even thought he's like, Prince is my rival. That's mostly his bottle, though.

SPEAKER_03 22:58

Yeah, because he could play all instruments. Like Michael could sing, but Prince can play guitar, piano, drums, like a perfect maestro. Which is crazy. Like he did his whole, his first album was all him. All him.

SPEAKER_07 23:09

That's what he owns everything today. Everything he owns was always Pokemon. So it's tough. I can see that. I can see why he said that. Well, no, remember they were supposed to uh y'all know the story about him. He was supposed to be Prince was supposed to be on Michael Jackson's bad music video. Oh yeah, yeah, I heard that story. He was supposed to be Wesley Snipes' character, but there's that line like your butt is mine. He's like, who's gonna sing that? Me or you? Because I'm not singing that shit, and you ain't singing it to me.

unknown 23:34

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_07 23:35

No. Uh your butt is.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

You mean the the the the the the band aid, bro? The bandits here and it's kind of tough.

SPEAKER_05 23:53

Oh the glove, uh, it shows that uh I mean the uh uh eventually it's his own style. But the one-handed glove was specifically to hide his skin condition where he's losing the pigment in his skin. That's very LIGO. Yeah, Lego, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so the glove was just because he was you know, he didn't want anybody to see that skin condition that he had. Very, very cool. So eventually it became part of his style, and like a very staple in his style. To this day? Well, the shiny one-handed glove was specifically for that reason. Wow. Or that's how the movie portrays it.

SPEAKER_07 24:24

And you imagine you turn your your condition into a statement. You know, like, bro, it's to this day it's still he's still an icon, man. People still dress up in Halloween, they still do the gimmicks, people'dan dances. They still still do the moonwalk.

SPEAKER_05 24:38

They show a lot of a lot of his like medical things because he had the nose job early in his career. He had it after off the wall. Because in off the wall, you still have the nose and you can see it in the cover, but he keeps looking at that cover and he's like he's very subconscious about it. Well, that's when he had his nose job, and then by trilogy, he already had this the clean nose.

SPEAKER_03 24:57

Yeah, that was the thing, man. The surgery was real, a real thing. And it's I bet it was painful, which led to like eventually the downfall. There's a lot of surgeries. I I don't know. It's not very painful, you know.

SPEAKER_07 25:06

Well, you gotta imagine modern medicine is advanced since then, bro. So I can't.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

But he was ahead of his time.

SPEAKER_05 25:11

I know, but the way they portrayed it is like, so he had like he had like serious nerve damage in his skull. Nerve damage, and he needed to get an implant and skin grass or something. So the back of his head? Yeah, there were third third degree burns. That's it, is it?

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Like this the fire stone helps three seconds? Bro, it burns a lot. No, no, he had third-degree burns and nerve damage.

SPEAKER_05 25:34

So he was in the movie, they say he was in constant pain before the surgery. Then they got to have the surgery, and he was still in constant pain. So the movie portrays that event as being like the start of his uh downfall, like spiral, whatever. No, no, no, no. He's uh his uh dependency on pain medication.

SPEAKER_03 25:55

Yeah, he's always skinny too. Does he even eat? Like, I did have something over there.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

Yeah, that's the connection. Like, they don't they don't like outright say it, but it's like that Pennsylvania was like the start of his dependency on pain medication. I mean, like he wasn't an addict, he he really wanted, he got a history for him. There was really sunfitting damage. Yeah, and so I mean who doesn't.

SPEAKER_07 26:16

I mean, well, there's that one guy from Greece. Do you guys remember the movie Greece? Yeah, the musical, whatever. The Dan Yzuko's homeboy, the blonde homeboy that uh was supposed to race but didn't race in the air. Cigar? Yes, yeah, cigar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, that guy in the in the Greece Lightning song, whenever they're building it in the very beginning, believe it or not, he actually gets lifted up and dropped on his back and they fuck his back up. And from that point on, he needs he needs that.

SPEAKER_06 26:38

During the actual production, after that, and then everybody's like, go grease lightning, go, grease lightning, go. Oh my bag.

SPEAKER_07 26:46

No, but he was on opiates at that point. That started his uh unfortunately. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

Yeah, crazy guy here.

SPEAKER_07 26:52

Yeah, but anyway, yeah, that started his.

SPEAKER_05 26:55

The last thing I was gonna say, there was a really cool scene uh where Michael walks into CBS, the record company, and he's like, yo, I want my music videos on MTV. And the guy is like, Well, you know, MTV doesn't play music videos by any black artists. And Michael. And Michael's like, I'm applying for a calculator, and I'm not gonna have my music videos be you know thrown off to the side. So he goes to CBS Records President and he's like, I want my music videos on MTV. And then apparently the director of uh CBS calls MTV and he's like, hey, if you don't put Michael's music videos on MTV, in the next 10 minutes, I'm gonna pull my whole catalog of artists of MTV. And it was like that's a flag. That's a hell of a it was big names. It was like Bruce Spring team. That's what I'm saying. It's like the whole catalog. Like he's like, I'm gonna pull, I'm gonna pull all these big names.

SPEAKER_06 27:56

It was crazy. I think it's like, I mean, I wonder if that really happened. Because what a threat. That's a call. Ten minutes? Yeah, that's a good thing. Look at this micro.

SPEAKER_05 28:05

Because Michael and his lawyer walk in and they're like, I'm gonna have music videos, and then the Walter, the director, goes like, I've tried. And they sit there and like, try harder. And then he calls the assistant and he's like, get him on the line.

SPEAKER_06 28:18

Get him on the line right now.

SPEAKER_05 28:20

And then he makes that call right there in front of Michael and the lawyer. So I wonder how much truth there was to that call.

SPEAKER_06 28:26

I want the music video on MTV in the next 10 minutes. You're not calling to get authorization, you're calling to say, put that shit on the line, bro. Find the tape. Find the fucking program, bro. I don't care. It's like, I'm not calling to ask, I'm calling to let you know.

SPEAKER_07 28:41

Yeah, I mean, at that point, you gotta just start making moves. 10 minutes crazy times, that's cool. What a flex.

SPEAKER_06 28:46

That is a little bit flex. That was a big flex.

Ratings Comicpalooza Plans And Goodbye

SPEAKER_05 28:49

I'm not gonna lie. I think they gotta do that. What do you bring the uh the Walter? The Walter president is uh is a cameo but Mike Myers out of all people. Okay, it's hard because again, it's like okay, so it ends in 1994 Victory Tour. So it ends like it's 20 years of the Jackson 5. Right. So yes, it's Michael's movie, but the story just gives you the 20 years to Jackson 5. So to give you a better idea where it caps where it starts and where it caps off. So there's a lot of story left to be told, and again, it feels like there's what's probably more sort of the story to like cry in there. But I'm a big Michael Jackson fan. So anything anything Michael Jackson they put out there, and then they highlighted some of the hits, you know, thriller, Billy Jean, Human Nature, Beat It, and Bad was the final one, and then the Jackson 5 songs, it was all hits. The Michael album that came out for the motion picture has all the hits, and it's all five. That's sick, dude. So again, give me a number at the end.

SPEAKER_07 29:50

What is your personal viewer view? Like, because we know the critics didn't like it. And I don't know how I feel about that. I feel like they're just being haters.

SPEAKER_05 29:57

Man, it's because I don't think it has enough to get to a nine, I'll give it an eight point five. Tell you what, Jafar Jackson, uh Michael Jackson's nephew that's playing him. Oh, how does he do? I'll give him a tenth. I'll give his performance I'll give his performance to Michael a tenth. Really? He did a really good job, and towards the end where he starts actually dancing like like a I heard the dancing was on play. His dancing eventually evolves to what like modern dancing Michael Jackson would be. To like smooth criminal type shit. That's that shit. Type shit. That's when you could really see him like shine with the dancing.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Very, very cool, man.

SPEAKER_05 30:29

Shall I give his performance a 10? The whole movie overall, 8.5. 8.5.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

Okay. Duly known, duly noted. Well, Suki, what were your thoughts on the uh the show to yesterday?

SPEAKER_07 30:39

Well, I guess we'll do a rapid fire on the boys next.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Oh, or next time. We can just wait.

SPEAKER_05 30:44

Yeah, up to y'all. Yeah. I'm gonna rapid fire.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

You know what, guys? Just for next time. Next time. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 30:51

Hey, don't forget, we're gonna be a comic polo when? May 24th. 26th. 22nd through the 23th. May 22nd through the 24th. I had that completely wrong. Yeah, we're gonna be a comic polo May 22nd through the 24th. I actually just got word, our panel is gonna be starting Monday at 10:30, ranking Daredevil's in media. Oh very fun panel. If you've seen uh Daredevil, the trial of the incredible Hulk from the 80s Hulk. Yeah. Very fun Daredevil. Which one is your favorite Daredevil? Ben Affleck?

SPEAKER_07 31:17

Ben Affleck. Bro, now Ben Fleck is Batman. I like uh I like uh Charlie Cox's very good.

SPEAKER_05 31:22

You like Charlie?

SPEAKER_01 31:22

I like Charlie Cox, man.

SPEAKER_05 31:23

Ben Affleck. So I'll go with the with the Daredevil that joined Lou Frederick now.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

Ben Affleck.

SPEAKER_05 31:28

Ben Affleck and Charlie Cox. But we're gonna jam a few more into our panel and we're gonna give you a little trivia and unknown facts of Daredevil. That's right. What else we got on this one, baby? Oh, I mean, we also got a panel that we're gonna talk about anime. That one I haven't got to discuss it for, so stay tuned.

SPEAKER_07 31:44

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SPEAKER_05 31:47

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