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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for tuning in to the WBM podcast. This is one of your boys. It's your boy, it's your host Merck.

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Hey, it's your boy XFAR. Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

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And it's your boy Askin.

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Guys, we got a fun one for you today.

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I'm not a big fan of the government, but we got to go.

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We got that boy named uh Alexander Hamilton.

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This guy's barely watched the musicals, so they won't talk about it.

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We're late, guys, but Alexander Hamilton, Hamilton, the musical. Absolutely phenomenal. I want to nerd out with you guys. And apparently Osky Kum's a really big fan. So you guys ready for this one?

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I'm ready. Let's go.

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That's right. Guess what?

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We're not giving up shots. Turn the shit up, bro. Let's go! Let's go. Brother. Just put it down, brother. Just put it down. Slap smoke.

SPEAKER_04 1:07

That's what she said. This is all his letters, apparently. About like listed I f this bit, I find this bit. Name by name, bro. I heard he had a death note of all the bit he fucked, bro, back in the day. You know? He used to write letters and eat a chip. And it wasn't really writing letters. Classic. But most of the letters was like what? Like F the Crown. You know, Freedom First, or what is a play breakdown?

SPEAKER_00 1:35

The play, Alexander Hamilton, is a play that came out in 2006. By what's uh the gentleman's name again?

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Oh, Limonel Miranda. Limonol Miranda wrote the play. I mean, Limonol Miranda, he has his haters, but he's the GOAT, man. He's the GOAT. He could write. Bro. God, he could write. That mother. I mean, he's also reading big things. Like before Hamilton, his play on Broadway was in the heights.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Oh, really? That was his? I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_03 2:02

Oh, that's so cool. The mother version of In the Heights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. So that got turned into a movie. It did. I remember. Yes. Yeah, and one of the casts of Hamilton actually plays the lead in the movie, in the heights. You know what I'm talking about? Yes, the Hispanic dude, right? Yes, yes, yes, yes. I got his name on the top of my head. I did too.

SPEAKER_04 2:21

I know one of y'all got a comment on it and drop it and pin it like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:25

Anthony Ramos. Anthony Ramos.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

He's uh the hood now, right? He's the hood in uh Ironheart. In Ironheart, he played Broadway, Marvel picked up a Broadway star.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

I mean, I mean, that's he's I think he started in Broadway, if I'm not if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Yeah, I mean I think in the Hadra was probably one of his there are a lot of actors that do Broadway that do stage man that bend up becoming no real big time actors as well.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

Yeah, I think I think a lot of actors start in theater. I think that's a good start to like transfer to like film and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

What's his name? One of the Denzel Washington talks about that. He's like, movies are for directors, he's like the stage is for actors. And I was like, damn, that's that's bars. So why Hamilton? Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, it's good. He's like their medium is by through the camera. He's like, our medium is on stage. Well, why why Hamilton? It's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 3:12

So remember when Miranda talks about it, he uh if you could pass me a book. So on a flight, he was on a flight and he happened to pick up this biography of Hamilton. Is that really how he was on a flight and he he started reading it on the flight, and he just uh oh, you could hear the pages. So he started reading it on the flight. He started reading the specific biography by uh Ron Cherno. And uh he shout out to Ron Cherno, it's a big flight story. He liked the story so much that he got home and he started writing, and he just started writing the musical. And uh he liked the idea that Hamilton uh kind of comes to America as an immigrant. Yes, and he he liked it because he wasn't even born here, correct? He was born in the Caribbean. Oh, te tira más fotos, que cuando te tu okay so he liked the themes of that idea of like the immigrant or somebody coming from the bottom. He wasn't rich, he didn't come from a rich family at all. He didn't he didn't come from money, yeah. Uh so he liked those themes and he uh he wrote his own version of you know Hamilton's story.

SPEAKER_04 4:14

Oh nice. So he related like started from the bottom of the hearing time mentality.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Yeah, he liked the whole thing about like rode my way out. Lee Man says he wrote his way out of the Bronx Bronx or Brooklyn in New York. He wrote his way out of out of New York, he really rocked. That's what really rocked. Yeah, no, no. That's what he says. I always say sometimes he he he like Hamilton, he wrote his way out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

And uh that was one of the things I told you about earlier. I was like, where he's like, I wrote my way into it. I guess maybe I can see if I can write my way out.

SPEAKER_04 4:43

Yeah, you know, whatever he's like the story of the play is controversy because it's what's good. Uh what would you what would you call it again? America's what?

SPEAKER_03 4:51

First racism? No, not the first America's what? Sex scandal. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's a whole nother thing. That was like way later in the story. So way later in the story.

SPEAKER_04 5:03

Because it feels like the play, like whenever you guys were playing the explain the play earlier, it feels like that incorporated a lot of the story. Like a lot of the like, I feel like Bill Clinton was a big fan of this guy for some reason, you know?

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Yeah, I think he tried to follow the Hamilton way.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

We were jumping way into the story, but way later in the story. I heard that was his nickname as the Arkansas governor. Way later in Hamilton. He did have not a lot of people know this, but Hamilton had the first like political sex scandal in the United States. The first, like, that the kind of sex candle that made the news. You know what I mean? Because I'm sure all the founding fathers like pounce on pussy. But he was his was the first like scandal about sex that made the news and kind of affected him politically. The kind of stuff that you would think would happen today.

SPEAKER_04 5:52

I can see him writing that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

I think it would be.

SPEAKER_04 6:17

Not always. He wanted to.

Hamilton’s Rise And Burr Rivalry

SPEAKER_03 6:19

Yeah, rewind it all the way back to the beginning of the story. Rewind all the way back to where he was. Alexander Hamilton is all is known as one of the founding fathers as well. One of the lesser founding fathers, I guess you could say, but he was in the front, like in the in the He was in the room. He was in the in the mud in during the American Revolution. He he he got he came up in the ranks because he stole tanks from the British in New York. Yeah. Now tank tanks. I was like, dude, they have it like that. Yeah, he stole cannons from the British.

SPEAKER_04 6:49

I'll try to picture 1700 tank made out of wood and shit.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

That's the word that I was looking for. He came up through the ranks because he stole cannons from the British. So that's what he was known for. Yeah. And then kind of that's how he made his name in the war. And then he eventually, I mean, obviously he was educated. Eventually came to write letters for Washington as his aide at you know at the camp.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

Yes. And he also meets we meet David, oh not David Burr. We meet Alan, what's his name? Burr?

SPEAKER_03 7:18

The Alan the villain of our story, Aaron Burr.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

Is he really a villain or just a misunderstood character? Depends on how you spin it.

SPEAKER_03 7:25

I mean, from Hamilton's perspective, I guess he's the villain. He killed him.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

And he says that too in the end. Like he's like, you guys look at me out like I'm the villain now. You know, I'm the bad guy in your story. But it is interesting because there was always a kind of like a rivalry between the the two of them. It looks like that, at least it's what they painted in the story.

SPEAKER_03 7:40

Yeah, that's the way they painted in the in the musical.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Yeah. So I I like that aspect of it. It seemed cool because it like kept bumping into each other. And like I said, it was like small disagreements that just led to them not being on the same page with the very city.

SPEAKER_04 7:52

But what are the topics? If we all agree that, you know, fuck the king, we're gonna be Americ first. But what are like with like the arguments? Is like the nitpicking part, like the design of it?

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Like slavery was one of them for sure. The banking taxes. Again, because again, they just we just revolted because these motherfuckers are taxing tea. Like now we're trying to retax again so we can function as a government.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

The new song, yeah. Again, it's very important. Magistra developing a country from scratch, you're like, where we go from here. That's the question, yeah. What's next?

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Yeah, you know, okay. How we make money, you know? Yeah. And that's what uh, you know, some people are like, Well, fuck it, you know, don't fuck with us. We're down, we're fine down here. It's just like, bro, you the only reason you're fine is the reason you ain't got no debt is because you got free labor.

SPEAKER_04 8:35

Which is of the 13 colonies, the ones in the south, the ones that were doing that. It was the one okay, okay. Yep. That is okay, uh difficult back in the day.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

So again, you have to argue both sides of that aspect.

SPEAKER_04 8:47

And in a play, they they they reflect that, like his his thoughts, his his ideas on that.

SPEAKER_03 8:51

Well, if you would let him finish, I'm sure he would tell you. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Uh he really gets the chance to uh to give his two cents on it. It's it's an amazing story because they talk about the Constitution and how they're trying to the Federalist papers, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:04

This is where we get that introduction of it because he comes to uh well the Federalist Papers is specifically written. Well, he never told me. Defend the Constitution Well, he switched, I already uh wasn't. He switched topics. Yeah. He switched topics to the Federalist papers, which relate to defending the Constitution.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Yeah. That was a really cool moment or whatever that happened in the actual story because it goes to show how passionate he was for America at this time, how on fire he was for it. And what the original task was what, 25 essays split evenly amongst three men. And one gentleman, James, I think, goes out after he gets sick after five essays. Yeah. Another gentleman ends up writing 29, and then Hamilton writes 51. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

He just delivered the line, right? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. He got delivered the line like in a play.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

The first gentleman got sick and stopped writing after five. The other gentleman wrote 29.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Hamilton wrote the other 51. That's what my why do you write like you're running out of time? Yeah. Well, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_04 10:02

He had no phones back then. What are you gonna do, you know? I mean, you cannot write.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

You don't have to participate in the fact that he wanted to do that because this is he's like, look, I know it's flawed, I know it has issues. It needs to, it needs, what's the word? Amendments. Amendments, yeah. But it's it's a good foundation.

SPEAKER_03 10:17

This is what we're the Federalist Papers? No, because I think the Bill of Rights was a separate thing. Yeah, separate thing. But it was an amendment to the constitution.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

It was but he was just talking about just trying to get people again to get behind it instead of just giving up on it.

SPEAKER_03 10:29

Yeah, because he's like, we need a constitution to like get the we need to get this government going forward.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

This is the whole reason we won the war. We fought for this. Like this, what what are you waiting for? And he's like, I'm gonna wait to see what happens. I'm gonna see where the cards lay, and then I'm gonna make my move.

SPEAKER_04 10:43

This is Byrd. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Yeah, I think so. Bird, B-U-R-R.

SPEAKER_03 10:47

Can I go into all those themes about early America and like what happened?

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Yeah, man, it's cool. And then in addition, pussy involved, which is crazy. Because I was like, how is this one of the concepts that's moving?

SPEAKER_03 10:58

Multiple supplets about his his love, his love affairs.

SPEAKER_00 11:03

And the highlight of it for me was he falls in love with the older sister, marries the younger sister, and then fucks some bitch to the side.

SPEAKER_03 11:11

He falls in love with the with the one he marries, right? That's that's the one he falls in love with. However, but uh you will never be satisfied.

SPEAKER_00 11:19

You will never be satisfied, satisfied. Yeah, man. I thought it was insane. The fact that he's like, okay, cool. So the older sister wants me to, and I'm gonna I'm married to the the younger already. Yeah, so but in love, and there's the letters is what proves that, right? That's what corresponds to that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

The letters, yeah, kind of give like hints at the fact that there was something again.

SPEAKER_04 11:38

There's no phones you're gonna do. Write letters for the things. There's nobody alive, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 11:41

You can't ask somebody like, hey, how was Hamilton like? You know, send that sneaky link text. You know, you send that sneaky link text.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 11:48

Yeah, but that costume, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

Your dearest sister, your favorite sister, your favorite big sister, fucking Angelica or whatever, as an example. That's what she would write to Hamilton. He's that time for real. You look for those hints.

SPEAKER_04 12:00

So what island? Jamaica, Cuba? Did it ever say what what part of the movie's from?

SPEAKER_00 12:06

No, he's just from the Caribbean. In the plate for me, it didn't break it away. In the plate that I'm saying specifically. If you know where island in the comment on the thing, let us know.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

I mean, I can't remember on the top of my head. It's somewhere here in the fucking book.

SPEAKER_00 12:17

I love that he's gonna like literally flip to the page and find it right here. Look, it says it, bro, right here. I can't Africa.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

I know he came up like writing uh like exporting sugar. It was an island that exported sugar, and he got on a sugar boat, and that's how he got to New York.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

Yeah. Oh, that's pretty cool. But he was an orphan as well. His mother died whenever he was young, the father died.

SPEAKER_03 12:38

His mother died. They talk about everybody, his family's dying.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

Everybody, he's the only one really left alive, kind of thing. And Burr was unfortunately kind of experienced the same thing, but it's so drastic, the two of them, because one of them, again, is about the action, which is Hamilton, and Burr is about I'm gonna hurry up and wait. And you see where one goes, Hamilton ends up with climbing to the top, and Burr stays. He's uh trying to be on Hamilton's heels, even so much so that he goes into the opposing party and steals his father-in-law's seat just so he can get a title again and get back like in everybody's in the mix, just in the conversation again. And that's that causes the problem between him and Hamilton later on.

SPEAKER_03 13:09

Yeah, later on in the story, he takes a center seat for New York. Hamilton's father-in-law from Skyler.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Yeah, has a has a seat on the Senate. And his time comes up for election, he realizes that he's stepping down, and he switches from his original political party because him and Hamilton were on the same side. He switches to what, the Democratic Republic? Yeah, whatever it is back then. Don't get me to start lying. Yeah, don't each other. Yeah, he switches to the opposing party and he ends up running against him, knocking out his father-in-law and therefore taking his place. And then again, like I said, that causes problems because he's like, bro, what the fuck? We were just friends. He's like, I thought we were cool. He's like, Why can't we still be cool?

SPEAKER_01 13:41

He's like, Because of the shit you just did.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

Yeah, and he's like, Man, you you're tripping, bro. It's not even that big of a deal. Damn. Yeah. So that caused problems for them later on. But uh, but yeah, I mean, it starts off slow. Again, they're like, they have simple disagreements about things, and then he ends up needing his help to and like, well, he he asked him for help to do the constitution thing. But in the end, Bird's like, no, I'm good. You don't hear about it, isn't it? That's why his ass isn't involved in the Federal uh Federalist papers. Yeah. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

So but he did, but he went to uh so that's how he got to know Jefferson in there because you hang out with those motherfuckers, even though they didn't like agree, or because he was so involved, he's like, I kind of know where he stands.

SPEAKER_03 14:17

Yeah, yes. Um the thing is, well, Washington was president, the first president that we know of.

SPEAKER_00 14:23

That we know of.

SPEAKER_03 14:24

We're not gonna we're not gonna dive into those conspiracy theories. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 14:28

Damn, that would who's president zero. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:31

But during Washington's presidency, uh Hamilton was part of his cabinet. So was Jefferson. So they worked together under Washington and then the same cabinet.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

Treasury and state.

SPEAKER_03 14:40

Treasury and state.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

Yeah, that's right. Hamilton was treasury, Jefferson was state. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

Yeah. So that's uh that's how they they work together, basically. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

But because they had so much, Jefferson had so much of a distaste for for Hamilton because he felt like he was abusing his power with the banking system and shit like that. That was a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

Yeah, the treasury. I mean, he had that distrust.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

Yeah, he was like, uh, I think you're dirty, bro. I don't like your shit. So he's like, but how can I sit here and say I don't like it, but I'm in the same room with this guy, I'm making the same decisions, and you know, we're all trying to benefit this guy's winning. I gotta get out of here. He's like, you can't stop a fire from inside the house. So he leaves. That's why he resigns, and so he can run for president.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

Jefferson and Julie resigns so he could jump. I mean, he can't be in the cabinet if he's running for president.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

But I mean, again, that causes that riff right there, too. I mean, it's a bunch of events that we're gonna do. Well, Jefferson and Hamilton were in different parties, right? Yeah, because yeah, he was set representing the South and Hamilton in the North. Yeah. Gotcha. And yeah, because again, that's when uh Hamilton was like, slavery's not cool, bro.

SPEAKER_04 15:35

Well, that makes sense because you see in the in the sugarcane plantations, because the Caribbean had a bad history of that, and he saw that shit growing up. But what like the plantations owner did in the sugar canes area, especially the Caribbean, yeah, that shit scars you. You're like, they used to do what, you know, out of sugar. They probably influenced them.

SPEAKER_03 15:49

Yeah, you probably saw a lot of the slave trade working.

SPEAKER_04 15:52

Yeah, that's terrible, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

And he's like, these are just people. Like, what what the hell?

SPEAKER_04 15:55

But for them, you know, Jefferson was rich, you know. Like the whole point of like people like the revolution because these people had wealth money, like people argue like, when don't the revolution start again? It's like the truth is you need money to do this, you know.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Washington was rich.

SPEAKER_04 16:10

Yeah, you know, he had money, you know. Benjamin was rich. He used to go to go to France, have orgies, then come back, be like, nah, we're good with French. He talks about that too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

He talks about, yeah, I met a bunch of French bitches. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 16:21

Why do you think they were cool? Like, man, these Americans are legit because of Benjamin Franklin. He knew the language.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Yeah, he would help them, was it draft the doctrine um their independence? Remember, he like helped them draft that or whatever. Yeah, before it's a lot with Lafayette before he bounced. Yeah, he's like, I gotta go. Yeah. And that's wild. But I mean, yeah, like I said, the story goes everywhere. Things that I never expected it to be.

SPEAKER_04 16:40

Franklin was paid in zero.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

Oh, okay. We're not gonna go there. There were 13 precedent. I'm not gonna get into it. Yeah. Whoa, shit.

What Makes The Musical Work

SPEAKER_00 16:50

Like the 13 bloodlines? Oh, none there. Yeah, man, but I I really enjoyed the play itself. I think the stage work where it had like a moving circular center was very fucking interesting. It's like a pop operetta, uh, if you guys want to get an idea of what the music is like. It's it's a bunch of catchy tunes, but a bunch of high notes that that end up progressing the story. And uh it's done phenomenally well. Unfortunately. Bro, you're hint eyes. Turn it off. The lowly notifications.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Yeah, I'm at that.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

But uh no, man, it was it was done phenomenally well.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

I mean, the songs, the songs are hitting.

SPEAKER_03 17:24

They hit I mean I got into Hamilton back in the day, like pre-pandemic. Right. When we would say, And then during the pandemic, they dropped the the play uh movie on Disney Plus. So it kind of had a little resurgence during the pandemic. So it got it got hot again, and you know, it got popular again, and then over the years it's just become this whole thing. I mean, it's really popular.

SPEAKER_04 17:47

Yeah, I remember like the last administration, like VP went there, and they were as a real using it as a tool for like, hey, you know, don't forget your roots, how the country started. Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 17:56

Yeah, and Obama, Obama had the the cast come to the White House and play it and play.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Yeah, and play some of the songs uh he did that.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

He did that. And that's cool. Because it was his second term. Oh shit, really?

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Oh no, that's that's hilarious. When y'all watch the play, y'all understand that. And they come back and listen to this moment.

SPEAKER_03 18:16

Yeah, there's a song in the play uh one last time. Yeah. It's George Washington, and he's like, hey, I'm stepping down as precedent. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

And Hamilton freaks, he's like, bro, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 18:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the the ending of the song is the address that he gave, is the lines from the address. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Yeah. Like they're reading it bar for bar. It's not like he made up lyrics. He's just reading the address. And it's really cool because it's an overlay because as Hamilton's writing it and saying it, Washington steps up from behind him or next to him, and he's actually reading it. So it's it's that that transition, that symbolism. It's very, very cool. It was his voice.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

It's like one of his final address, you know, the final addresses to the nations precedent. Yeah. Where he's like hoping for better things, da. Recently stepping down.

SPEAKER_04 18:58

Well, but there's like five people out there, like, what did it look like? Was it where where where did he do the speech outside or inside somewhere?

SPEAKER_03 19:04

They don't go over the the details of all cases. I mean, the play, the play is very conceptual in that sense. We're going through the scenes, but it's not a movie. It's one location. They don't even change like the set itself. Remember, it's a stage play. Stage play.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

They bring a few props on and on, and like some pieces move, but for the most part, it's the exact same situation.

SPEAKER_03 19:22

One of the songs is kind of going through one of the songs is like uh happening during a battle of the revolution. Yeah, but of course, there's no cannons involved.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

No, no, no. There's there's a there's a wedding scene, you know, to the broom, to the groom, to the groom, to the bride, to the bride, to the bride.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Bro, it's so bars, though.

SPEAKER_03 19:39

It's like it's all this cool stuff that is happening on stage. Yeah, they make it work.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Yeah, visually, like I said, it was done very, very well. The creativity behind it, man.

The Reynolds Affair And The Pamphlet

SPEAKER_04 19:47

I mean, but eventually, what was his uh destiny? What happens to Hamilton and then George's life?

SPEAKER_00 19:52

So after he outs himself.

SPEAKER_03 19:56

After he outs himself, okay, so the affair that the the political scanner that these guys keep referring to is the the Reynolds affair, uh, which was Elizabeth, the wife was away. He stayed in New York because he had to work.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

And and the older sister. She came into town, as a matter of fact. She lived in London, came back to the States to be like, yo, let's come and kick it as a family upstate. You know, come and kick it with us. We all relax. Just chill. He's like, I gotta get this shit through Congress, baby. You don't get it. I got works to do. And she's like, Are you sure? He's like, I'll see y'all when y'all get back. And in that time, within like a week, he hasn't gone to sleep. He's panicking, he's stressed. He's like, bro, he's like, I miss my wife, I'm craving Elizabeth Angelica, and then out of nowhere. Here comes this one goofy bitch. Miss Reynolds. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 20:41

He had uh he had an affair with this woman. You know, he took her to bed, to his own bed.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

Yeah, no, no, she took the first time she takes him to her own house. She comes up with a story saying, like, yo, my husband's doing me dirty, he's beating my ass, he just left me. I don't know where to go. He said he feels bad. He's like, I give her some money that I got, I'll walk her back to her place, you know. And he's like, All right, I'm gonna go home. And she's like, please don't go, sir. I don't know where she lays down, opens up the legs, cracks up on the pussy. She's like, come on in. And he's like, Oh, I don't know how to say no to this.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

No to this. Oh man, it's so great. It's his temptation. He's dealing with it. He's like, oh God, help me say no to this.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

So, like, for me, I'm like, oh shit, it's wild. But then, of course, he ends up falling to temptation and he ends up getting blackmailed a month later by this child. The husband. The husband, the chick's husband, man. He finds out that he's been tagging his wife, and he's like, You chose the wrong guy to cuckle.

SPEAKER_04 21:33

Was it really her husband? Was it just a good line? Or was it just some pin? No, it was a one line. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Yeah, and apparently, the wife plays it up like she didn't know that he knew.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

Do you think she really knew?

SPEAKER_03 21:47

I mean he's a powerful man. I mean, he's a powerful man. He knew who he was. She had to say, she had to know who he was. You see him hang out with Washington. You Or maybe she maybe she didn't know, and then you know, the husband was like, Oh, I. I know who that guy is.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

I mean, I don't know, bro. To get caught up slipping like that back in the day, man, he was lurking.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Like he was lurking. He was hunting her ass down. He was like, who was tagging this hoe, bro? It's so designed.

SPEAKER_04 22:11

It's almost like it was like, you know, we got him.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Yeah. She shows up to the giant mansion. It's not like he went to a hotel. I'm sure she went to the crib. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Who lives there, man? Oh man, that's my boy Hamilton. Oh, shit. Okay, cool. We got him. We got his ass. Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

SPEAKER_03 22:28

Yeah. And then uh sometime later, sometime later, you know, when Jefferson is basically like, we gotta take this. Uh it's funny because they call him the immigrant in the play. Yeah. So we gotta take this immigrant down. Nobody, you know, he's not one of us, he doesn't speak for us. Yeah. So they're like, okay, let's look into him, right? Let's look into him. Follow the money, they said. Follow the money, right? And eventually they find these payments that he's doing to one Mr. Reynolds, right? And they're like, where is all this money coming from or going? What are the payments for, right? Right. And he confronts them in the play. In the play, he confronts them and he's like, Well, let me tell you a story. If y'all really want to hear, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:07

My life got turned it upside down. I got one little crack.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

No, this guy is like, so I was selling, I was chilling on the corner selling rap C D's, and when I met this little bitch named Jan.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

Wow, dude. But no, man, deadass.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

He uh he ends up being confronted by them and they're like, hey, we know you're dirty. Confess. And he's like, Y'all don't know what y'all asking me to confess too.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

Yeah, it's like, that's what y'all got on me. Y'all ain't got shit. I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Straight up.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

That's how he reacts at first. It's like, y'all ain't got nothing on me.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Nothing. And then he's like, look, okay. So if I can prove that I didn't do anything legally wrong, y'all leave me alone. And nobody finds out shit. And they're like, sure. So he ends up keeping the letter that homeboy ended up blackmailing him on. He shows it, admits to everything. He's got a checkbook to balance out his money. He's like, the money that you guys have been seeing, it's going in and out, it's my money. And it's going to it's going to this homeboy for blackmail because he's got money.

SPEAKER_04 24:05

Gotcha. So he was like not really stealing money in the country, he was depositing money, make it look all clean. And then when they find out, wait, what the fuck is this coming from? They're like, they dragged it down.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Is it going? They found it because it went from different accounts as well, too. So like he wasn't dumb. Even when it came to it, he's like, I'm not gonna have this come out from my my checking account. Gotcha. I mean, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:25

I mean, you could find about it more in the book. That's right, ladies and gentlemen. But in the play. So in the play, eventually, the next song after that, he's like, he wrote the Reynolds pamphlet. So it was it was the whole thing that he wrote where he came clean about everything.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

Yeah, he ends up outing himself.

SPEAKER_03 24:40

Like we said, he outing himself. Yeah, before I don't know, maybe he didn't trust whoever his accuser.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

He confronts Burr and he's like, yo, how do I know you're not gonna use this against me later? And he's like, shit, it is what it is, dog.

SPEAKER_03 24:51

Like, you know, I know. No, he feels him in a good way. Because like we both know what we know. Because he also knows some things about Burr. Right. So it's like, hey, if you put this out, you know, I'm sure there's things you can put out about me. Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

So he doesn't, but he doesn't trust it. He's like, bro.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

We're guessing he didn't trust it because he ended up putting the outing himself after.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Like in my mind, it was if I'm gonna have anybody write my story, it's gonna be me. And I'm gonna say everything the way I wanted to say it. But he tells he's 100% honest. I I this homeboy's been blackmailing me. Here's the letter to prove it. I I dicked it down in my own bed, my own marital bed. Yeah, man. And everybody's like, oh, this is wild. Now he'll never be president. Yeah, his reputation is ruined, dog. It doesn't matter. He cleared his name.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

Because back then that kind of political sex scandal ended his political career. That was nowadays. Apparently helped Trump. Who knows? Grab her. Anyway, uh by the Hamilton. By the Hamilton.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

But uh, but yeah, no, man.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

So that kind of because he was gonna run for some people say he was gonna run for president on the next one. Against he would have run against Jefferson, so that would have been interesting.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

It would have been interesting.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

So who knows how story would have history would have changed. Would have changed. Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_04 25:56

Well, definitely for sure the South would have been different. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:59

You would think so. I mean, he could have still lost if he ran out.

SPEAKER_04 26:02

But at the end of the day, like you like you said earlier before this, like Jefferson was so powerful that it's still most likely Jefferson would have still been.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

Would have been a good story, though. Yeah, a good story. Where were we on that one? Where were we going with it? So we just finished with uh oh the Reynolds. What happened? How he out of the room.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

So you want to know how that played out? Yeah, that played out like that. He wrecked his reputation, and of course, he went in a whole thing with Elizabeth. In the play, Elizabeth, his wife. This is an interesting part. You're putting out something that nobody even accused you of. I was like, that is interesting. Nobody, nobody knew. Nobody knew, bro. He just did it like one morning. Why are you putting out something that nobody even accused you of? Well, it was the truth.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

It's the truth. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:47

And how are you gonna get mad? Or something? How I was eating him up or something? No, I think again. I see what Elizabeth makes sense now. It's like the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 26:54

Elizabeth and his wife is like, the fuck? Yeah, it makes sense. You just had breakfast. They were accusing your financial crimes, and you're out here like I was in the Yeah, say it. So it was that was some funny lines from the play from the song.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

I thought it was great, man. It was it was a really interesting show. Whoa, but the burn, the burn song. We never talked about that part.

SPEAKER_03 27:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

Oh, okay. So Burn is Elizabeth. Elizabeth song, where she is so pissed off at Hamilton at this point that she ends up burning all of her letters that anything that she's ever sent her. But those are like soliloquies. She's like, You built me castles out of paragraphs. You know what I'm saying? And with these words, they had their stories going back and forth with each other. She's like, I'm getting myself out of the narrative. Eliza, not Elizabeth. I'm about to say, I was about to say it was Elizabeth, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

I don't know why I keep saying Elizabeth.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

Eliza. It's just missing the Beth at the end. Uh Eliza. Eliza is like I said, she's burning all these letters unbeknownst to her. She's actually getting rid of her side of the story in history. You would never think, like, my my marriage is gonna be examined one day by in 200 years by a bunch of people. But because of that, she deleted her side of the story. She we don't know if she forgave him, if she loved him, if she hated him, if there was ever what he admitted to, what didn't he, how he felt. We have no perspective. Only part that we have on that is speculation.

SPEAKER_04 28:07

She just burned out a spy, she's so angry, bro. She just reacted, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

Now realizing that she has just removed herself from history. Yeah, yeah. So very interesting. Like I said, that was a cool part that they they that they implemented into play. So that was cool.

SPEAKER_04 28:18

Uh so that was his downfall financially, or just downfall emotionally, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Period.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

His downfall was pussy. Well, I mean, after that, he was still a big part of uh American politics. Yeah. But what happened after that was that his son ended up uh trying to defend his honor, his dad's honor, and he ended up dying in a pistol duel. Yeah, at 19.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Same age that Hamilton was whenever he started trying to come up and at it. Yeah, he was in college. Yeah, he even references it. He's just like, just like my dad, I'm intelligent, I'm well, I'm hungry, but I want to be bolder. So he tries to confront some guy who was talking shit about his dad, and that's when he's like, I am one of your school friends, brother. I'm about that action. Yeah. And yeah, they ended up having that duel. Like I said, Hamilton tries to persuade his son to shoot in up in the air to make him more honorable. However, even though he does it, he still gets shot and killed.

SPEAKER_03 29:06

It's I think that's what kind of like got him out of the spotlight. It was a combination of the Reynolds pamphlet, which kind of like, of course, messed his reputation up. Yeah. And then his son died. So he willingly, like, you know, he kind of reseeded into out of the spotlight. Yeah, he turned into a hermit kind of thing. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

Oh that's why he wasn't in spotlight as much.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

Yeah, so that even they even say that. Like you'll see him talking to himself, walking to himself, like he's just in his own world.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

He's he's dealing with the most romanticizes it a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

Yeah, he's dealing with an unimaginable pain. I can't imagine what it must be like for him. You know, it's his son died in his arms, but uh, him and his wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very that was a very emotional scene. Oh, yeah, that scene was bro. That shit hit. It's so sad. The whole play hits, though. The whole play hits towards the end.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

I don't know, man. I don't know if I'm gonna make it. I know.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

And then at the very end, here we're now we're at the end of our play, and it's the run for president for Jefferson versus Burr.

SPEAKER_03 30:01

Yeah, so we're we're coming up on the build-up towards the finale, and Bird ends up running for president against Jefferson. Correct. And they said that so everybody wanted to know Hamilton's opinion on the matter. Because everybody thought Burr was gonna win.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

At this point, the public's opinion was Burr. They're like, this guy is chill, it seems like you can have a beer with him. Seems like my boy.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

Yeah, because the way Burr campaigned at the time was a brand new thing. And they said that he was the first one to campaign and forgot what the term is called, but basically going door to door. Yeah, he was. And being being out there and like meeting people. So he was the first to campaign in that matter. That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 30:37

I love it when the politicians wear just the tie and the white shirt and they roll their sleeves all the way here. Yeah, yeah. I'm here working for the blue collar.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

He did that in the 1800s. That's cool. I can see that. And uh so everybody wanted to know Hamilton's point of view. But Hamilton ended up endorsing Jefferson, even though they had beef throughout the entire play.

SPEAKER_00 30:56

From when he shows up, from Hamilton with them and Jefferson entering the room, they have beef, they're on opposite sides. Even in the very end, he's like, I can't go with this guy. Even though Burr, him and Burr have been friends throughout the time, though throughout years or whatever. He's like, I'd rather vote for my enemy than vote for you. And it blows his mind.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

He's like, What the fuck you mean? Yeah, you're gonna vote for this fucking guy, bro.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

And he doesn't care. He's like, Again, even though I disagree with him, we've we've gone for words, I know what he what his values are, I know what he stands on.

SPEAKER_04 31:26

Because he worked with him, he saw him every day.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

Yeah, and he's like, I don't, he's like, what if you don't stand for anything? What will you fall for? Dang.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

Bars. Bars, Hamilton, Hamilton. And I like that once in a moment.

SPEAKER_04 31:38

If I was bro, I'd be like, bro, fuck. You can't even keep the shit to yourself. Look at you. Yeah, he's like, you know, don't you mumble in the streets? Oh, you will.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

And then the final song before the duel, the final duel is Your Obedient Servant, where Aaron Burke kind of goes like, Hey, hey, Hamilton, like it's time for you to like answer for all your things. I look back at my life, and every time I failed, it was you that was, you know, you were the common denominator. Yeah. And then Hamilton replies, which I think it was a real reply in a letter. He's like, You're gonna have to be more specific than that. Here's 171 instances where I disagree with you.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

Fuck you up, dog. Yeah, let me know what you think. That's kind of vague, more specific, bro. Dead ass.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

And again, it's it's done in like uh what's it? It's like satire, dark comedy, where they're talking about something very serious and it's like a real like dark ass tone, but they do it in such like high-pitched servant. Obedient servant.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

H that ham.

SPEAKER_00 32:43

But uh, but it's dope, and then that's what leads to the duel. Because they're like, hey man, you've been talking that shit. And that's what you find out in that song. It's like, bro, what the fuck? Yeah, say it's that moment. Run it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Enough for this writing.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

Well, no, because they were just like, there ain't no way we could solve this.

SPEAKER_03 32:55

He's just like, Burr Burr was a big you know, he was.

SPEAKER_04 33:03

He was a decorated veteran, too.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

Hey, uh, all I need you to do is apologize. And Burr was like, just for what? Everything I said was true. Yeah, bro. So it's like that. It's good. Cool, cool, like any way to do it. Yeah, that back and forth, man, was really, really done well. Again, who knows how fictionalized the play is? True, man. Pretty cool. And then it's like time for the duel, you know. They gotta do it in New Jersey.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

They gotta do because everything's legal in Jersey.

SPEAKER_03 33:24

Yeah, so at that time, it's funny as hell.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

But yeah, man, my kids were like, oh, so this is where that meme comes from. Apparently, there's a bunch of Hamilton memes. I didn't even know about it.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

What was it?

SPEAKER_03 33:35

It was fucking I mean, there's a bunch of like good one-liners that come from a lot of the songs.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Yeah, Hamilton come back to bed. He's like, I got I can't stay, I got a meeting at uh shit right there, bro. It was really cool. But yeah, he talks about like how basically they head out in the middle of the night, not the middle of the night, early in the morning. They they go over to Jersey.

SPEAKER_03 33:52

The final the one of the final songs is the duel, and it kind of calls back to like everything that has happened.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

Yeah, there's a cool moment when the gunshot happens.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

Yeah, yeah, the gunshot happens and it slows down time. And the music stops. And Hamilton calls back, like he calls back to lines earlier in the play.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Everything from like the very beginning, the middle, his son's death, his son's birth, the beginning of the constitution. Like all that he had so many songs that he just starts referencing, but it's like complete silence, and he's just acapellaing that shit, and it sounds like like slam poetry, bro. Yeah, it's so good. It's so good.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

And one of the nice throughout the play is like he says it in the first act, he's like, I imagine that so much, it feels like a memory. Yeah, I'm like, damn, that's fuego. And that's how he like so basically in the duel they shoot, and then time kind of stops and the bullets kind of go in. Slowly, and that that's like his like moment, his mind's like breaking.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

He's freaking the fuck out, yeah. He shot up in the air.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

Well, in the play, he the it's kind of like speculated. I mean, there were there were I mean, there were only a couple of people there, so they say that he he was an honorable man and he just shot up in the air, right?

SPEAKER_00 35:03

Like his son.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

But uh there's a couple of facts that some people say, like Iron Burr even says it in the play, he wore his reading glasses.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

Yeah, because he was a marksman. Like I said, he was a decorated veteran, so he was already a good shot as it was. And Burr sucked. Yeah, he even admits he's like, that was a bad shot. That was all facts, that was all actual facts, like actual facts that happen. So I was like, eh. So why would he wear his glasses unless he wasn't trying to fucking you know make a shot? Yeah, so that's it.

SPEAKER_03 35:27

But then he shoots up in the air, and then you know, Aaron's shot lands, and he dies.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

But Bird does explain, like before it even goes down, he's just like, Well, I saw this and I saw this, and this motherfucker did this.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

Yeah, he's almost like trying to explain.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

He was ready. He was ready, bro.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

As we talks about that he shoots his ass and unfortunately ends up making it back home and dies in the arms of his wife and uh older sister, older sister-in-law.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

Yeah, I think that really does happen as well. Yeah. Because the play is a fictionalized version of history, right? Uh, but it does get a lot of things, it does reference a lot of things that actually did happen.

SPEAKER_00 36:02

Based on historical events, not historically accurate, 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

To be fair. To be fair. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:10

It's a musical.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

You guys gotta tell you.

SPEAKER_04 36:12

That's the story of the great Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

Yeah, I mean, a lot of things. I mean, this this it had like all kinds of influence. Like, I know we mentioned it in 2015, the Treasury Department announced uh they were gonna redesign the$10 bill and take Hamilton off of it. They say that maybe because of the Hamilton play and their and their you know, he kind of had a surge in popularity after the play. Yeah that didn't happen. So man, crazy. Yeah, the play itself saved him some time.

SPEAKER_04 36:41

So my$10 bill is a Caribbean man. Yes. And my$10 bills God bless American.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

American.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Yeah, so I mean, just a bunch of stuff. And uh, I know Hamilton is on Disney Plus, you can watch the play. I do. And I think Limonal Miranda did sell the rights for a possible movie down the road to Disney. So Disney owns the uh the rights to Hamilton. If I'm not mistaken, I think Limon Miranda sold the rights. Limonal Miranda works with Disney. I mean, he wrote Encanto, of course. He wrote all the songs in Encanto. Yeah, damn, really?

SPEAKER_01 37:19

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

That's really yeah, that's cool. Yeah, he's he's a writer, he writes songs too. I didn't know he did all the songs to Epic, though. I'm sorry, not Epic, uh Encanto. Sorry, Encanto. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:28

Yeah, it's cool. We don't talk about Bruno, bro.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

You don't talk about Bruno.

SPEAKER_04 37:33

No, no.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

I mean, I'm sure he had collaborators, but no, I mean the the Encanto soundtrack is uh credited to him. Very freaking cool.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Well, hey guys, that was uh the the story of Alexander Hamilton. That was our musical. And we give that musical a 10. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

I give that musical a 10. It was a good It's definitely something you gotta watch. And I wish I had never seen it live. I wish I would have seen it live. I just happened to hear it, and you know, I heard the whole thing because I like the songs. But uh even Louis Manol Miranda said it, it's like before we ever do a movie adaptation, I'ma let it, I'ma let the play stay on stage for a few more years so like them you know, as many people as as possible can experience the play. I'ma let American. Yeah. So that's something that's something that he he that was he did that on purpose, especially after the pandemic. Because during the pandemic, it was it was supposed to, you know, Hamilton was still on stage, but then that happened, so he's like, nah, man, I'm gonna let it go on stage, you know, so as many people can experience Hamilton live as they can.

SPEAKER_04 38:30

I hope Suki gets to see it too.

Comic Palooza Plans And Where To Follow

SPEAKER_03 38:31

Yeah, bro. You know what? Hey, Suki, you know what you actually year, this week, before we take off this week, we do want to remind you that we're gonna be at Comic Palooza 2026. That's what at?

SPEAKER_00 38:43

No, Suki, you can't come out here, chill. The George R. Brown convention setting, ladies and gentlemen. What days? May 22nd to the 24th. That's right, guys.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

We're gonna have our own panel out there. We're really excited.

SPEAKER_04 38:53

We'll see big celebrities like Lauren Frishburn, the Daredevil cast, George. What's the Rick and Morty?

SPEAKER_03 38:59

The girl that plays Jessica Jones. Absolutely. I can't remember her name. We're so bad. We're so bad at names. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

Out there in the CP pot family.

SPEAKER_03 39:07

Well, we're gonna have our own podcast episodes from the show floor at the podcast panel area. That's right, guys. So look forward to that.

SPEAKER_00 39:15

And so much more. Yes. But yes, Suki, now you can come up. Hey guys, this has been the WBM Podcast. We hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Thank you guys for staying with us if you're all the way at the end. This is your host, it's your boy Merc. Please make sure you guys are following us on our social medias at WBM underscore podcasts on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, and Twitter.

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