WBM Podcast aka Witty Banter Media
The Three Best Bros anybody could have (feat. Oski, xFer, & Merc) sit down and go into all sorts of topics while also diverging into wild content. Anime! Pop culture, video games, movies, books, science fiction and actual science. Nothing is safe from the Witty Banter Media treatment. Every episode tends to take an unexpected left turn, so listener discretion advised. However, follow along and you will see they always bring it back full circle. Do not take the WBM Podcast team too seriously because they will never be above a witty joke!
WBM Podcast aka Witty Banter Media
Making of a Hero: Courage, Power, & Family,
The WBM Podcast returns from their summer break to dive into recent superhero films, comparing Superman's triumphant box office sales to Fantastic Four's disappointing delivery while they also speculate on Spider-Man's future in the MCU.
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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for tuning in to the WBM podcast. This is one of your hosts. It's your boy, Merc.
Speaker 2:And it's your boy. X-fag.
Speaker 3:And it's your boy, Off-Candleman. And it's your boy.
Speaker 1:Teller, merc Guys, do we have a special episode for you today?
Speaker 2:That's right, y'all, we do a little virtual meeting Welcome.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're doing remote training.
Speaker 2:That's right, y'all.
Speaker 3:Welcome to the sit-down. That's right, y'all. What are we talking about today, fellas?
Speaker 2:Bro, how motherfuckers at McDonald's demand 27 an hour and they still get my order wrong.
Speaker 3:Yep, damn, you always forget to catch up, bro, I literally said no pickles, Like why would you get them, bro?
Speaker 2:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Extra pickles.
Speaker 3:I said All right, and we're also going to talk about.
Speaker 1:I want to talk about the Fantastic Four and the fact that Freaky Friday was better.
Speaker 3:Oh damn Good topic.
Speaker 2:Freaky Friday is a better film. Anything for Jamie Lee Curtis bro.
Speaker 3:And last but not least, Strip Club Bad Stories.
Speaker 1:That's right y'all.
Speaker 3:Okay, we're going to keep it 100.
Speaker 1:All right, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3:Let's get going, let's go. Uh, welcome back, welcome back. Welcome back to another episode of the wbm cup podcast, aka witty banter.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's right, we're right.
Speaker 3:Go back by the way we we've been missing. We've been missing for like a long time.
Speaker 2:Summer break, man. The audience knows. The audience knows that after Comic Palooza it's over, we're not for the summer, you know.
Speaker 3:The audience doesn't know that.
Speaker 2:They gotta know that we gotta go on vacation, we gotta do shit.
Speaker 3:We're gonna do nothing, why's?
Speaker 2:drinking.
Speaker 1:Like I said, he's on board.
Speaker 2:We're not doing nothing.
Speaker 3:Why are y'all lying? Why are y'all lying to the fans?
Speaker 1:This guy's been out for four weeks X-Fur. He's like, bro, everything's been chill.
Speaker 2:Not doing a damn thing, but I feel good to be back, I feel good to be back, honestly. So yeah, we're back now from here and out to the fall. And then, you know, christmas break. I mean, come on, before you five, you're doing this. Come on, y'all, Y'all already know.
Speaker 3:That's what we say. You say that now.
Speaker 2:You won't see us for another.
Speaker 3:This episode, you won't see us for another three months.
Speaker 1:But it's going to be a good one. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to make you laugh on this one.
Speaker 2:That's right y'all? No, I was just joking about my McDonald's rant. I mean I did write it where you got it. I mean I got the order, but come on bro.
Speaker 1:No, no, bro, I said and it's small Sprite.
Speaker 3:And they're like oh, the thing about McDonald's and me and Merc have spoken about this in length you don't go to the McDonald's in the suburbs.
Speaker 2:But every machine's broken, bro, fucking, I want to shake all the time and like there's some people I don't know the other great shake, like McDonald's shake. I could put crack on it bro.
Speaker 3:Well, I get McFlurry goes a long way.
Speaker 2:I think McFlurry does go a long way. You know what I'm saying? That's all American bro, all American like Superman bro. Yes, this is my transition.
Speaker 3:This is my. There goes my transition.
Speaker 1:Watch it as it goes.
Speaker 2:I know we didn't Merck didn't see Superman, but honestly it's a great movie. Honestly, all I can say it's really much like A Superman episode Of cartoons. You've seen the cartoons, Right, Mark?
Speaker 3:Yeah. It very much felt like Justice League, specifically Justice League Unlimited, specifically the cartoon, the animated series, the animated series. That was like Within the Bruce Timm multiverse. Yeah, Brought the Batman the animated series and Superman the animated series into justice league, and then they had a sequel, which was justice league unlimited.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this is your non-spoiler review, because it is much like a cartoon. Like you don't know who these superheroes are, like Guy Gardner, uh, mr T.
Speaker 3:I'm God damn, mr Terrific, I'm Mr Terrific, I'm Mr Terrific.
Speaker 2:I'm goddamn Mr Terrific. I'm Mr Terrific. No, he didn't say that, but at the end it just like the cartoons.
Speaker 3:Well, it expects you, you know the thing is, it expects you to know who these people are, like it's not going to do any hand-holding, it's like, hey, you sure already know these characters.
Speaker 2:If you don't, mark. I mean, I told my parents my mom doesn't know who is Guy Gardner and you know my dad has an idea who's the Green Lantern. So he was like, is that the Green Lantern? He thought that was cool, but for the most part it was like they just enjoyed it. They're heroes doing hero shit. You know there is a monster, there is a kaiju, you see it in the yeah.
Speaker 1:You know like, oh, the boss is about to squish me. But you know like, oh, I'm Superman, he could have done this like.
Speaker 2:This is exaggeration. I don't know why he was like. Oh, because he he could be like, if you want to, no like in cartoons yeah, because he holds himself back, so he's used to holding himself back you know. Oh okay, okay, yeah, yeah, like because he like when. Oh okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like when the kaju the snide show a little bit like.
Speaker 3:Yeah, when the kaju falls, Superman's trying to hold the kaju up, because if he, like you know, if he doesn't hold himself back, he would just like blow up the kaju, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, is that the logic behind it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, because Superman's always holding himself back. It's like that moment that happened in Justice League Unlimited or Justice League, the first animated series, when they fight Darkseid and Superman goes. He gives that whole speech. He's like you don't understand how hard it is to always be holding myself back. And then he goes off on Darkseid.
Speaker 2:Perfect. Perfect, Because you can take it, can't you.
Speaker 3:Oh, shit we're gone right. That's true plug it plug in that speech here for the tiktok animation.
Speaker 2:I don't mean to go anime, but like I do like how, like some anime, take the concepts of superman, for example, one punch, because superman could do that in theory, the things that were, for example, like I know, I just want like that to the camera but in theory, like superman could flick so hard and cause like a sonic explosion that can take down, like buildings, you know like, or in theory, like, fly so fast, you know, go 360 around the earth and punch Darkseid in the balls, you know, like he spins the planet so fast.
Speaker 3:He actually did that once. I think it's in one of the comics. He could go 360 around the world fast enough counter rotation to turn back time for like 24 hours 24 hours.
Speaker 1:He could do a whole 24 hours. I just remember being in that one movie with Christopher Reeves where he can go back for like 5 minutes.
Speaker 3:No, he goes 360 around the world counter rotation. How did that turn back time? I don't fucking know. It's comics, am I right?
Speaker 2:Is that the comics or was that the movie? When we first saw that, when he went back in time, was it the movie or the comics?
Speaker 1:That sounds like some JoJo logic, bro. I feel like JoJo.
Speaker 3:That comes from the comics. That comes from the comics Him like 360 around the world in counter rotation and turning back time one day. That's from the comics.
Speaker 1:That is literally the most recent, or not, yeah, the most recent animated JoJo. That's the way that shit ended, bro. We're winding time. We're fast forwarding to the planet of the Earth. Straight ripoff from Superman, they said that's wild.
Speaker 3:I mean, if you think about it, it's physics, so the quantum mechanics, the way to break it down, I'm fucking with y'all, I don't fucking know, I was like, as soon as you said the way the quantum mechanics are.
Speaker 2:That's the thing that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you're talking just to research quantum physics, like you're fucking downtime. Is that what that is?
Speaker 3:So the thing is like, from what I'm understanding, I've had you for a second, though I know Hold on, break it down.
Speaker 2:Break it down, loco. Hold on, break it down, loco, because the Earth spins around the sun. Right, this guy flew so fucking hard he was able to pull back an entire solar system to a specific spot in the cosmos. If you think about it, if he's not able to spin Earth clockwise, he had to pull the entire gravitational pull of Jupiter and fucking Pluto. We see only Earth, but if he's able to do that, he's pulling the entire fucking solar system out of pure rage, that's true.
Speaker 2:If it's Superman, then he's not holding back for one. He's not holding back in his flight.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because the reason that it happened on that storyline was because Louis Lane died, so he had to turn back time to save Louis.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I could be mistaken.
Speaker 2:No, that was the movie. That's the movie. It was like a bunch of rocks, you know like 70s style rocks. You know it was fucking paper mache.
Speaker 1:It just made me laugh. The way that he explained it, though, was like Saturn right, and I was like, in my mind, I am meeting with fly dynamite. I was like how many letters are in Superman? Hey, what's the Greek album that's planted? Hey, Jupiter, hey Jupiter, that's what happens to be in the subterranean of what?
Speaker 2:The Greek god of war.
Speaker 3:War, that's immediately where I went. Sorry, as long as it is the Roman god of war.
Speaker 1:I did cry one more time how many letters are on war, but war backwards, I think about it because war, huh, what is a good war?
Speaker 3:that means that literally is something and nothing at the same time, and that's the principles of quantum mechanics.
Speaker 1:That's true bro.
Speaker 2:Which, in power from what I understand, is how Richard Reed Richards figured out it's paradoxical this is my scientific Reed Richards transition to the Fantastic Four.
Speaker 3:There goes my hero.
Speaker 2:So what was Fantastic Four, bro? You just went a big time.
Speaker 3:Wildly mediocre brother, and I don't think I didn't even watch it, like I was kind of hyped for it. But then it came out and I was like whatever, like Superman, I was super hyped to watch it. I watched it. I heard it from everybody that it was good. Fantastic was super hyped to watch it. I watched it. I heard it from everybody that it was good. Fantastic four. I didn't watch it.
Speaker 1:And then the word of mouth came out and it was like so for me I knew superman was good. Whenever the movie came out and nobody made memes about the actual movie, the film, the plot. You know I'm saying if it's bad, people are gonna make fun of it immediately. The weekend after fantastic four dropped, everybody was poking at the fucking plot, bro, everybody was ragging on it in certain ways and I was like that's a good gauge.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, absolutely yeah. I mean, if it's trash, that news spreads a whole lot quicker than good news. Does you know what I'm saying? So like if it's good you'll know Like you're like bro. Have you heard anything about it? You're like no, I heard it was good, though it's like one person said it was good and that's all you needed to hear.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. But uh, other ones that are super fucking hyped on the trash immediately, like bro and starbitch. It's so overhyped, the plot is terrible, the animation's crap trash. There's no. You know I'm saying like there's always some pain about it, so um, but as far as this particular movie went, there was a family element. My brother actually kind of gave me a little bit more leniency on it.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I give it like a 6.8 6.9, my favorite9 but it's because he was like there were certain scenes that happened in the movie not spoilers, but it was like a silver surfer scene where they were in space. There's a specific scene that happens and you're like bro, you did something that was dope and I was like no, no, no, no, cool scene. But the film as a whole for me was like kind of lackluster. You know what I'm saying? The secret ending at the very end was it seemed very cheap. I'll be honest, cheap.
Speaker 3:I'll be honest Was it Dune for real?
Speaker 1:Dr Dune, right, robert Downey Jr. You wouldn't even see him. It's just a green cloak with a shitty kind of plastic mask. It looks metallic, but you know it's plastic, and he's just kind of holding it in his hand while he's reaching for the child.
Speaker 2:Do you see his face?
Speaker 1:It's the side. He's kneeling down as if he's talking to the kid boom and and, like the invisible woman, walks up or whatever. She's like franklin now. Do you guys know why? Franklin is such a huge deal, though, for this whole concept, right?
Speaker 3:oh, because he's so p, he could like thank universes to existence or out of existence.
Speaker 2:He can what's?
Speaker 1:What's the people Captain?
Speaker 3:I don't know if that's ever going to work.
Speaker 2:Oh, he's going to. We're replacing them.
Speaker 1:So, because in the comics there was a version of Thor, iron man and Captain America Thor, iron man and Captain America that all sacrificed themselves To take out a big bad it was like Onslaught or some shit like that. Right, they all died to kill this major villain. Franklin Richards then created a pocket universe where he then created the exact same duplicate characters from birth, flash forward their entire life in the pocket universe and they came back as their exact same age selves, but completely, of course, healthy, walked through the portal that he then creates for them and then pulls them out of that universe. Obviously, it vanishes and that's how they come back as quote-unquote the same people For this one. If they did the exact same thing for the MCU, where, hey, these guys sacrificed themselves but Franklin managed to make a pocket universe. Here's our younger, different, ultimate version of Ultimate Captain America, ultimate Iron man.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, is that where Ultimate Marvel comes out? And shit. Ultimate Avengers, and shit.
Speaker 1:It would be an easy segue if they did.
Speaker 3:I could see it.
Speaker 1:I mean comics.
Speaker 3:Am I right? Am I?
Speaker 2:right, that character of Franklin Richards. It's fucking broken, it's a broken character it's literally like he's a character literally below.
Speaker 1:God.
Speaker 3:Yes, or rivalinging. You know what I'm saying. I don't see, like how he has that much power yeah, it's just so like I'm going from the power cosmic.
Speaker 1:That is the whole thing inside the film. So it's like you know. You don't see how they get transformed just automatically, like we're already superheroes. We've been doing it for a while now, right, so that that cosmic power could be anything from the phoenix force to the beyonder, to, like you know, the beyonders supposed to pass and gas and the bitches you know they don't even explain it.
Speaker 1:They don't even explain it a little bit, no, they just have the power and now this is a child born with the power cosmic and again, even that terminology is kind of something that's like a marvel comic in my thing, like the power cosmic is a like entity, is a specific kind of power, and that's why I'm like, okay, yeah, the lactic is hungry, he wants to eat the kid and he's thinking that the kid will finally suffice his hunger, his craving that's the whole.
Speaker 1:Thing but it's like sacrificing your family for this one guy. It's. It's the ultimate question of sacrificing someone for everyone or everyone for you. You know so, but uh, cool character. I'm excited to see where that goes. But the film itself, like I said, I just was galactus, cool was the villain cool.
Speaker 1:He was cool and he could go to like grandiose size and he can. I think he can make it some smaller, but it he was cool. I like Galactus' character design, his voids, the damage and everything like that was cool Was Silver Surfer a big deal homegirl, or she was just there for like two minutes.
Speaker 1:She was there for about maybe 10, 15 minutes out of the entire film. Like I said, she has like her five minutes where she's like chasing the Fantastic Four or whatever. I'll give her eight minutes, I'll say 20 minutes, entire film. She's there.
Speaker 3:Did she surf, though? Did she surf face?
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's the scene that I'm referring to.
Speaker 2:I bring you Galactus.
Speaker 1:I think they showed it in the trailer already, but they were like running through or towards a black hole. So you see, like the black hole and they're like surfing she's surfing around the black hole and they're like surfing she's surfing, you know, going around the black hole and shit like that.
Speaker 1:That's like one of like the cool scenes I would say that my brother was assigned to and I was like, oh yeah, that was, that was a cool scene, you're right, but again, I thought I there was way more surfing than the first one, how about?
Speaker 2:that the silver surfer character gives away that it's gonna be a pocket yeah, my bad, I was talking about this one. He gives it away that it's the Pocky universe, the Silver Surfer, because the Silver Surfer is not a girl, it's a dude. So, like that, gives it away pretty much that there's gonna be another galaxy where they correct the the plot of Silver Surfer. Like I understand, she's the wife of Silver Surfer. There are wife of Silver Surfer. There are comics of Silver Surfer, lady girl, but the Silver Surfer's a bald dude.
Speaker 1:No, no, bro, there's been multiple heralds.
Speaker 3:She's just an iteration of the Silver.
Speaker 1:Surfer. She's one of many, so she eventually becomes an actual.
Speaker 2:Oh, Thor becomes Silver Surfer 2 in the comics.
Speaker 3:That's cool.
Speaker 1:He becomes a herald. The Silver Surfer is, quote-unquote, a herald of.
Speaker 3:Galactus yeah, anybody could be a herald of Galactus.
Speaker 2:A herald, you're doomed.
Speaker 3:A herald Galactus Like anybody like, if you know any character, if they really want to circum.
Speaker 2:He's right Love you, you know this whole time, you, this whole time he's he's talking. I noticed that murk not once talked about like any act, like any, any, any fantastic four. Like this whole time that murk is talking he hasn't mentioned oh, fucking the thing. Did this? Uh, mr fantastic did that. Like you know, I could spoil a superman for him. You know I could spoil Superman for him and you know I try to do non-spoilers, but that's one thing. That's how I know, that's something that we made, because this whole time he's been talking he's not once mentioned like a combo fight or combo wombo League of Legends reference.
Speaker 2:No combo wombo, no wombo, combo, no combo, wombo.
Speaker 1:Dude that's 4v1. Not one dog. It was crazy. They did team up at one point to take down Galactus. It makes me laugh, because the feat that she achieved, even for me, I'm like damn, that's a hell of an upgrade. Again, I don't pay attention to the Fantastic Four too much, but I don't know what her limitation is For me in comparison to what we saw like the first.
Speaker 3:Invisible. Girl Invisible.
Speaker 1:Woman.
Speaker 3:Invisible Woman.
Speaker 1:My bad, my bad.
Speaker 3:She also serves face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she delivers phenomenal, like I said, like a screen presence as far as like a mom and stuff like that. Her power scaling, like I said, was like a super power up. All right, I got to give you a spoiler warning.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I mean it's fine, All right so like she.
Speaker 1:She ends up pushing Galactus into the transportation device they need to in order to get the fuck out of there. Right, like the end of the universe or something like that. For me, the original Invisible, invisible woman is based off of Jessica Alba, and in the second Fantastic Four she was struggling not to keep up with fucking Ferris wheel in English. You know what I'm saying. So now she somehow pushes a god like being through this fucking, and I thought she took like multiple city blocks of futuristic old school New York like solo dolo. No fucking help. The only thing the thing does is like raise down the foundation of the building so the Galactus can't grab onto it, but that's it. It's fucking. Just her bro, just her. She does that shit but it cost her her life and of course, the baby gets put on her chest and he brings her back to fucking life. That's like the power that just goes to show his level of frankly, like he can.
Speaker 2:He's pretty much level below god yeah, he's right below god he can bring back the dead.
Speaker 1:I mean it again for me he's going to be like the next century. We're never going to see him again until like a pivotal moment, whenever it fucking matters, and you'll be like oh my God, I forgot. Franklin can do this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because the characters are so broken. Then again, there's been so many characters that have been introduced that were supposed to be broken and never brought back.
Speaker 1:Or if they nerf him like that, Like any sense, Like why even introduce him in the first place?
Speaker 3:Just before this, just before this, Thunderbolt had a reference to Fantastic Four at the very end of that movie. But from what I hear, it doesn't even connect at all.
Speaker 1:So they originally did beat Galactus' ass and then they did beat. They put him to the end of the universe. But it doesn't mean that he's gone. It's very possible that some sort of event you know what do we call it? The incursions? The incursions are probably going to fucking happen. They're going to have to jump a universe anyway and that's what's going to bring him over to Earth. What I also didn't like about this version is Pedro Pascal is a great actor. I did him as Reed Richards because Reed Richards is a very intelligent person in the film or always in the comic book series, even in the original films very, very smart guy. Constantly in the film I heard this motherfucker constantly say I just don't know what to do. I'm literally lost. I have no idea where we're at. I'm at my wit's end, I don't know, and I'm like this motherfucker in the comics has a council of himself to figure out damn near any problem in the universe. He doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 2:I was like You've seen Rick and Morty, right yeah, does he solo Rick he?
Speaker 1:rivals. Rick Easy in my mind. If he doesn't solo, he would definitely.
Speaker 2:I just want to know the level of high intellect that he is, because I know Rick so will like. Did he beat Rick?
Speaker 1:Only because Rick has broken like fourth wall continuity. In my mind that's the only reason why he rivals Reed Richards.
Speaker 2:But if he hadn't done that.
Speaker 1:I think Because even when, like, they see Deadpool do his shit, they're like what the fuck are you doing? You know what I'm saying? Nobody understands that. But like, if he would have do that feed, I would have been like oh shit, okay, different feed, okay.
Speaker 2:because that's what it comes from. The Council of Reed Richards is pretty much like a copy of the Council of Reed Richards. I mean, the Council of Reed is a copy of the Council of Reed Richards, correct? That's what it comes from, yeah and like.
Speaker 2:Let me say frankly, in the reads about this high level cosmicness can shit out of the universe overnight and at first I was like, well the fuck, what's the point of it? But then I think about that. It makes the other characters more grounded and more fun, specifically spider-man. Does he think about it? Because reed richard is like, I mean, he can like, just, you know, snap his fingers and then there's no more dr ock, there's no more fucking, uh, vulture. But then here comes spider-man, who was like I, I got a math exam. Fucking Scorpio is out there doing shit. I can't even study and this bitch will shut the fuck up about why I brought the wrong pizza. Oh, but Harry and the Stinkheads, I get it, you know, it's relatable. So it grounds like because it's so cosmic and it's so out there. It grounds like my favorite characters. Well, because, like Spider-Man, he's one of my favorite.
Speaker 1:Marvel characters, if that makes sense. True, because of the events that are going to happen, they're going to have to jump universes. In my mind, that sets up the next film for them, but you know that they're going to get because it's a Marvel fucking movie. They got a trilogy that they signed up for immediately.
Speaker 3:I saw the news that Pedro Pascal's role in Avengers got cut down. Got cut down. He's no longer going to be a star Like. He's going to be like a side character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's more of a side, not lead as much as he was. Yeah, that's how much this film affected him, bro. I'm telling you, it was not a good portrayal, unfortunately. And you know, what's even worse Is that that he's getting the backlash for the anxiety thing that he's got. You know what I'm saying, being touchy-feely with his wife what's-her-face Kirby man?
Speaker 3:no, I don't think that's going anywhere.
Speaker 2:I mean it's kind of weird. It's kind of weird. It's kind of weird, especially on TV and I'm like bro Shannon Sharp is a warning.
Speaker 3:It's kind of weird, but then you see him with like other other actresses and like everybody loves him.
Speaker 1:There's no actress out there that gets weirded out by him have you seen, homegirl, that he plays in the Last of Us with? She loves him too yeah, they don't be all handy on her, though, why not?
Speaker 3:that's a child. That's a child.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know how old she is. I don't know how old she is she's 16 you gotta grab on her ass.
Speaker 1:But like you don't ever see him like hugs up or like fucking nothing, I don't ever see any physical contact with him. But you have social anxiety. It's the exact same thing. I'm like why does you have social anxiety? It's the exact same thing.
Speaker 3:I'm like why does it's just because?
Speaker 2:that idiot.
Speaker 3:She's playing his wife and she's playing his daughter. Bro, you can't compare those two.
Speaker 1:I mean. But she's married though, bro. It's not like she's a single chick who's, like you know, on the market, Bro, he's getting like.
Speaker 3:I mean, she's fine, she's fine she's not grabbing ass, bro.
Speaker 1:Hands on on the waist. You know what I'm saying, bro?
Speaker 2:you didn't tell me what's up.
Speaker 1:Eskimo kiss at the red cover mirror bro, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I was anxious, yeah it's so forced.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying, though but like I'm, just kidding brother Pascal.
Speaker 1:Haley is so forced that's what I'm saying, though, but like I'm not saying that, that's what I believe I'm not saying. I'm just saying that there are people out there who do believe this about him, though because Doctor Doom is Fantastic Four's main rival.
Speaker 2:So if Pascal is taking the backseat, who's the main guy? Spider-man, obviously. Tom Holland is going to carry the franchise for the next 10 more years, bro.
Speaker 3:He's the only one that could like, he's the only one that would like be able to like step forward as a big character, like as a flagpole for the team.
Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, we're getting a Spider-Man 4.
Speaker 2:I did it all. Spider-man 4 is happening.
Speaker 1:It just started filming.
Speaker 2:I used to put in times like these, bro.
Speaker 3:That being said, after Avengers, and what was the movie after Avengers?
Speaker 1:Remasteria. No way home. It was the Dark Ops.
Speaker 2:Far From Home.
Speaker 3:When it came out, I was excited about it because Jake Gyllenhaal great actor great stereo great villain character. But if you look back now, far From Home was not a great movie, it's okay, it's okay. And then no Way Home, no Way Home, no Way Home was a what do you call it Nostalgia. It was a nostalgia trip. Okay, tobey Maguire, andrew Garfield. That's why we love it. The next Spider-Man movie, bro, I don't think it's going to it.
Speaker 2:Better, come with like a good story, bro, because come on, I guess Homecoming is kind of forgettable if you think about it now. He was the part of Homecoming. He got two seconds about it. Now, he was a part of Homecoming.
Speaker 3:He got two seconds. All Homecoming did was introduce Spider-Man.
Speaker 2:That I'm fucking out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was trying to tag Batman's daughter.
Speaker 2:He told you he was going to be Batman's daughter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, he was trying to tag Batman's daughter because he was still a bird, bro. He was still a bird.
Speaker 3:What was his status? I know it.
Speaker 1:And I remember he was under training of Tony Stark to be a brand new hero because he had the Iron man or the Spider-Man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this whole Spider-Man movie. They've been carried by other stories. I don't think that's important.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all the prequels, if you think about it, all three movies, all the prequels.
Speaker 1:The third one, you're not wrong, see my thing about that. It makes me think of T-Pain's third album, three Rings. There was a bunch of cameos, a bunch of features. He had great songs but Kanye Wentz featured on that album, ciara featured on that album, ludacris featured, chris Brown featured I mean Musical Soul, mary J Blige, I mean so many fucking dope ass features. That happened and it was an amazing album. But that took away from his credit. People were like, oh, it's the features that make the album, it's the cameos, it's the add-ons that people that make the album. So therefore, in that same sense, I think of if there wasn't a Toby, you didn't tell me. If only Andrew Garfield came up, it's a missed opportunity for Toby. Only Toby shows up. It's a missed opportunity for Andrew. Both of them have to show up.
Speaker 2:If they don't show up at all again.
Speaker 1:It's a missed opportunity for the franchise as a whole.
Speaker 3:Well, that's why you can take that movie out of the continuity you know, especially because at that point they were still trying to figure out what the fuck the multiverse was.
Speaker 1:So the way they explained it that the Spider-Man came to the main universe. I mean it doesn't make a lot of sense. It's somehow connected. You know, remember the random animals they had in the sky.
Speaker 3:They were like made of lightning or some shit, and then Venom. Venom had like the random scenes, yeah it's Sony.
Speaker 2:That was Sony not wanting to let go of Venom. That's damn, just fucking around with the storyline.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:And so, sony bro, come on. You know, tom Hardy Disney, it would have been a way different, better story.
Speaker 1:Ah, man, I hate that. They fucking. They still own the rights to that dude, but I mean, like I said, the fact that we're even going to get to it in. Spider-man movies at all Again've never gone beyond a trilogy of any of our timelines, as far as I know of right now, maybe the rest of the universe were fucking.
Speaker 3:Technically, Tuffy McGuire got a four win.
Speaker 1:Wait, you got 3.5.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can see one, two, three and then no way home.
Speaker 3:Yeah bro, yeah, technically yeah.
Speaker 2:Look, bro, you've actually got to stop being a bitch. Bro, Just read the check. Sit Sam Raimi down, Sit Toby down. I know you ain't doing shit on the weekends. I know you ain't doing shit on the weekends, bro. What are you doing on the weekends? Not a damn thing. Look, we can film this over two years every other weekend and with the Bob Bros they really could just do three different Spider-Mans if they wanted to.
Speaker 1:I know you ain't doing shit on the weekends, it could work.
Speaker 3:It could work Every other weekend, tony.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying, man, I think it could still do dope though Every other weekend. Bro, Just take your time. The comic books do it. The comic books have three different runs of the exact same Spider. It's Spider Morales regular Spider-Man?
Speaker 3:Yeah, they do. Spider-gwen has her own shit. I mean DC's doing it right now with all the different DC movies they've been putting out.
Speaker 2:I have a theory on Morales, bro. I think they are going to transfer him to live action. I think they're going to do a reality where he becomes live action.
Speaker 1:No, he is. That's already confirmed. But Sony said that they can't do anything with him. Live action was until the third Spider-Man animated film comes out.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:They're going to bring it to IRL. They're going to bring it to.
Speaker 2:IRL bro. I swear they are going to bring it to IRL bro.
Speaker 1:It's going to be dope when they do it, bro, whoever they're going to cast is going to be peaking.
Speaker 2:It's going to be the same guy. The reason they're taking getting him swore. They're getting him swore for the role, bro. It takes time it takes time, bro, it takes time to move on from it. The guy that voices Miles. They're going to swore his ass up.
Speaker 1:Oh, no way, yeah, no way. He ruined his career after the whole Haley Simon thing. Bro, he's a cuss, he's a rap, it's a rap.
Speaker 3:Yeah, go to them.
Speaker 1:The fact that he's doing conventions already. In my opinion, no, no, yeah, bro, he's already doing the tour circuit and I know there's no way everybody that hopefully goes on the line doesn't roast him.
Speaker 2:I didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 1:I'd be like why did you mess it up, bro? Now we gotta wait a whole nother year because you fucking around, you just couldn't kill it leave it for Michael B, bro, you see him doing his thing I'd be like why did you mess it up bro? Now we got to wait a whole nother year because you fucking around dog, you just couldn't sell it. No, bro, Leave it for Michael Bieb.
Speaker 3:bro, you see him doing his thing.
Speaker 1:Wild Ain't no crazy shit. He's just going to marry it officially or whatever. You know that.
Speaker 2:You really thought that's like nah, I'm going to do my thing.
Speaker 1:Nah, I'm, he could do his own thing, sit down that's that one spider-man 29 and I really held his ass down bro yeah, bro, isaac should have held his ass down like in the real life hey man, do me a favor before rubber gloves, don't let, don't, let us go, don't, let us go but uh man, it was rough.
Speaker 1:it was rough um us, but no, I'm excited for the future of what Marvel has. As far as Spider-Man coming back, did y'all see the one poster picture or the image behind the scenes where he's like the head down the entire city's around him and he just looks dope as shit? I thought dope as they were. Like you know, this film's gonna be fucking lit, bro, when the behind-the-scenes photo looks like a badass movie poster and I was like know I'm more?
Speaker 3:I'm more excited for what dc is gonna bring than for marbles yeah, I just, I just haven't been excited. I just haven't been excited for anything. Marble, you know, has coming up in a long time, you know 100 correct.
Speaker 1:Yes, I would agree with that. I was excited for fantastic four bro and, like I said, when it 80 drop second weekend it it only made 11.6 million dollars the second weekend, 80 dropping tickets yeah, so that's why I feel like marvin's just trying to chase that avengers high.
Speaker 2:You know the setup with uh, with danos, and I'm trusting the process. You know I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that maybe dr doom, because from what I'm understanding, merck is saying that dr doom really is an avenger threat. Like you do need to call fucking Iron man or you have to call him because you're fucked. If you don't call Hulk and Iron man and T'Challa and everybody and their mamas, the earth is destroyed. So that's why Tristan Marrow, because that's what Marcus in the comics, that's what Dr Doom is. Not only is he the main villain for Fantastic Four but overall, like he can be like Magneto In the movies they downplay, magneto is a walking Avengers threat, from what I understand right. Like he does rare appearances because he's such a big menace and that makes sense. That and that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:The world actually I was going to say I forgot to tell you guys, in the film there's a, a visible woman who's going to the un or some shit like that. They show a bunch of different countries. One of the countries they show is latveria, which is dr doom's country in that, in that universe or in the comics period. But uh, he's not there. Obviously he's like his seat is empty, but they show like the little uh country sign for it. So in my mind, mind, dr Doom is from that universe, like he has to be from that area or something like that, and he probably bounces and somehow like hitches a ride with the Fantastic Four and some other shit goes awry.
Speaker 1:But did you know that basically you didn't see Kevin Feige's interview recently. Then whenever he talks about, like, all the shit he's trying to reset and he realized that Marvel kind of dropped the ball recently.
Speaker 3:I heard something about it. Yeah, it was like, hey, we're going to stop putting out so much content, because flooding content into the audiences was not the best.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was like we're not going to do so much TV content. Our TV content is going to be solo. Basically, whatever DC is doing, they're doing the exact same thing, just trying to correct the universe. So many people are like it seems overwhelming. To people like, oh, overwhelming. To people like, oh, I have to watch all these shows and these movies in order for me to figure out what the hell is going on, kind of thing. And he's like our TV shows are going to be separately on their own universe. That way people can do their own thing.
Speaker 1:There are movies we're going to start focusing more on quality and not so much on quantity. You know, we realized that to do this other event and blah, blah, blah, blah kind of thing. So they're realizing a lot of their shit is kind of it hasn't been top tier, so they're going to try to work on it. Rumor has it. So they say. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for listening to the WBN podcast. This is one of your hosts, itchy Boy Merc. Please make sure you guys are following us on all of our social medias Twitter.
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