WBM Podcast aka Witty Banter Media
The Three Best Bros anybody could have (feat. Oski, xFer, & Merc) sit down and go into all sorts of topics while also diverging into wild content. Anime! Pop culture, video games, movies, books, science fiction and actual science. Nothing is safe from the Witty Banter Media treatment. Every episode tends to take an unexpected left turn, so listener discretion advised. However, follow along and you will see they always bring it back full circle. Do not take the WBM Podcast team too seriously because they will never be above a witty joke!
WBM Podcast aka Witty Banter Media
Blood, Blues, & Irish Booze
"I just wanna taste you." The haunting dialogue, stunning IMAX visuals, and rich world-building make "Sinners" a new classic vampire tale. It's more than horror—it's cultural storytelling at its finest. What was your favorite scene? #RyanCoogler #MichaelBJordan #Sinners
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Speaker 2:ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for tuning in to the WBM podcast. This is one of your hosts. It's your boy, merc Yo. Welcome back everybody.
Speaker 1:We miss y'all. This is your boy X-Fair.
Speaker 3:And this is your boy Aski, and the man and the man.
Speaker 2:Tell him Merc Guys, do we have one hell?
Speaker 1:Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk Talk talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, Talk, talk, talk talk. Another hit for Brian Coogler yes.
Speaker 3:Yes, sir, and before we get into a full review of this episode, we have a big announcement for you guys. Oh, that's right.
Speaker 2:That we're going to start out with. Yeah, and spoilers.
Speaker 1:Yes, this is your only notice about the movie Sinner Spoiler. That's right, you guys ready, I'm ready. Yes, let's fucking, I'm coming back.
Speaker 3:A big announcement, a big announcement, all right guys, what do we got?
Speaker 1:Start it out Tico.
Speaker 3:Yo boys are back for Comic Palooza 2025.
Speaker 2:That's right, ladies and gentlemen. They done messed up and let us back again.
Speaker 1:They done messed up and let us back for 2025.
Speaker 3:Hey, okay, okay so, for real, we'll be on podcast, we'll be back, we're coming to Luce at 2025. That's right, guys. That's part of the podcast partnership program. So, hey, we're going to be back in there with the Pot Family CP 2025. We're excited to see you guys.
Speaker 1:That's right, guys, as we get closer.
Speaker 3:Cut in my brother Absolutely.
Speaker 1:As we get closer. We will tell you more details exactly the times the location what to look forward to, the events where we'll be located, absolutely as we get closer to the date. I believe the dates are.
Speaker 3:We should be ready for this. It's in July. They moved it from their original day, from May, so they pushed it back to July. So everybody who couldn't make it the original weekend now has more time.
Speaker 1:Actually it's in June.
Speaker 2:That's right, you have more time in June to come and visit it.
Speaker 1:One of them was with the J, you know, and a?
Speaker 3:U Hold on. I got my announcement paper right here, suki.
Speaker 2:I think she ate it. Anyway, yeah, no, but we're really, really excited Hayden Christensen is going to be there. Some more Star Wars, anakin himself.
Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, Anakin himself will be the.
Speaker 2:Vader. He's going to be there, which I think is going to be bananas. That was one of their first big original announcements that they had for the year you didn't kill Anakin Skywalker.
Speaker 3:Zuki sent me the announcement June 20th, june 20th through the 22nd 2025. You already know what is it Merc.
Speaker 2:The George.
Speaker 1:R Brown Convention Center. That's right In Houston.
Speaker 2:Texas, the big convention center in downtown Houston.
Speaker 3:I mean, there's been a few announcements, but the big one, the big one that I'm excited for, is Hayden Christensen, anakin Skywalker himself.
Speaker 2:I'm going bananas, like your mom does on me, bro.
Speaker 3:I'm more of a he's other movies. I'm more of a Takers fan.
Speaker 1:I'm a jumper guy. Looper, juper, jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper, kind guy Jumper. I was there.
Speaker 3:Actually, jumper was my shit bro.
Speaker 1:I love Jumper.
Speaker 3:He was being hunted by Samuel L Jackson.
Speaker 1:I'm still waiting for the sequel.
Speaker 3:It's Mace Windu hunting Anakin Skywalker down after he turned our brain.
Speaker 1:The plot twist is that his mom was also a Jedi.
Speaker 3:What, what she was.
Speaker 2:You didn't remember Jumper. No, bro, was she also a Jumper as well?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:No she also was part of the Empire. There's too many goddamn Jumper's in this goddamn plane.
Speaker 3:You know I can't do a similar Jackson tour, but you know what I'm getting and that's why that? Motherfucker has a purple lightsaber.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what it should be. That motherfucker himself, bro. That's what the H stands for. But yeah, I mean, they also got the Elves.
Speaker 3:Oh, from the Star Wars universe they also got Boba Fett and Jango.
Speaker 2:Fett, the one and the same, because he's like, hey, Boba Fett's going to be there. No, I get it, I get the actor. I was like that's not Boba Fett, that's Jango Fett, and you're like, oh wait, there's more For us Star Wars rebels.
Speaker 1:Rex Rex, you get what I'm saying. You have to be a Star Wars rebel to know that it's one and the same. They're all the same clone. Yes, get it.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, and since we're on that, we will have a topic about Django Fett was the original Django Fett.
Speaker 3:Wasn't a clone, though, django Fett was the original.
Speaker 2:We're posting that topic about actors that stay in the and that's going to be my blinker segue, and so you know, speaking of two people that can play an actor, oh, you know what I want to see? You know what?
Speaker 3:I little slide of mine. He played more than one character. I'm gonna let it shine. Let it shine.
Speaker 1:Let it shine, let it shine. That was the end of the movie, but let's start the beginning.
Speaker 2:Guys, that was actually good that was.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it yeah.
Speaker 2:It was amazing. Ryan Coogler does it again, ladies and gentlemen, with another fucking hit. Original concept for a vampire movie.
Speaker 3:You know what I love? Um, the world building and the movie. Like, before we even get into the storyline, just the world building, like all that stuff that he puts in there, you can almost tell like, hey, this could connect to a whole nother story or this could be a whole nother movie.
Speaker 3:And part of me thinks he got that from working in marvel. Part of me thinks he got that from working black panther, or maybe he he's already a great director. He could do world building on his story. But the world building that we saw in black panther and what kind of forever and now we see it in a whole original universe is like man no, it's peak dog.
Speaker 2:I agree with you 1000. I think that that was heavily influenced by marvel as far, in the sense of um, what's gonna happen next? You know, he opened up a whole world and he did it within two hours, bro, he did an amazing job of it and, like I said, the fact that obviously again, like we already said, heavily spoilers in this thing for you Jumping straight for the secret ending. It's like in the 90s. It ends there. You could pick up a whole other movie there.
Speaker 2:I'm like literally if Marvel's like alright, bro, this is where Blade's going to be the prequel all right, we'll give you the prequel, it's gonna fake up, fuck it.
Speaker 3:We're going straight for it and like and if they look would you be mad blade in a in a nightclub in the 90s?
Speaker 1:I was expecting to show up the whole time right and guess what?
Speaker 2:I'm not mad, bro.
Speaker 1:If I saw it, I would watch it bro like that'd be cool because, like the owner of that club and blade is his homeboy yeah, you could have been like he. Like the owner Of that club In Blade Is homeboy yeah, you could've been. Like he's the owner of the club.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying yeah, that's where it starts Okay. That's fucking wild. Say this was a Marvel movie All along.
Speaker 2:Dog, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1:And guess what.
Speaker 2:Because it's just one word Center. It's cool, just like Blade. All it takes is.
Speaker 1:Marvel to write that. Check, bro. You know, I agree with you guys. I do love the mythos that they start out with the movie, because the movie starts with the actor, michael B Jordan, playing two separate characters, right, one brother that plays like a righteous character and one character is pretty much is like the evil side, like the devil, like the angel and the devil side of the show.
Speaker 2:Well, let's pause. Actually, there's a prequel that we missed in the very beginning, that Tico was the one who originally told us. Right, there's a written text that's on there, correct? That talks about homeboy having powers, people having powers.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, there's a small intro at the beginning, because I guess you guys showed up to the movie late.
Speaker 2:We missed the first five minutes. Fucking 30 minutes of trailers is bullshit okay. I love movies but Anyway, I digress.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. I mean you guys didn't miss anything in the beginning, just like a little intro, like a little flair, where they show that wood carving and it's kind of like. Throughout history, different cultures have called like a person that could use music to like transcend time and summon spirits, or the ancestors the Irish call it so-and-so, the Choctaw called it fire walkers and the Graal from West Africa called it. I can't remember.
Speaker 2:Him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but basically the supernatural power, you know it's in different cultures where it's a thing.
Speaker 2:Which I like that they introduced that in the film in the very beginning. You're like, because when it happens later on in the film, you're like this is just some trippy shit, that's just showing. You're like no, no, no, he's really doing it, he's really transcending time.
Speaker 3:He has that power In those moments.
Speaker 1:Okay, now going back to the beginning of the film's plays uh, two characters at the same time two brothers. He plays twins twin, twin brothers right which I thought he did phenomenally. They cousins, they cousins and you know what, like you can distinguish the, the acting, in regards to what mark is saying, regards to the, the acting style, because you can't distinguish one actor that in the movie plays the role of an Irish lower mob member and the other brother that plays for the Italian member.
Speaker 3:And as Atiko pointed out during the Oski Oski, I don't know my name now.
Speaker 1:Oski pointed out, you can tell by the clothing style. The only thing I could notice was the colors. You know one color was blue colors. You know One color was blue. You know the obvious that had blue hat, the blue shirt, right. So that can entail good, you know. And then the other, the other brother, and I'm gonna take.
Speaker 3:The red accents.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna let Oski take over here In regards to the style, but in regards to the color, you can tell he was Dressing all red Right then there, before, before I laid off, I did the observation that one brother, uh, is pretty much like a trained trickster, or the pretty much the future antagonist of the, of what could be the mythos of the novel, because throughout the, the, throughout the scenes that he represents, you can see him tempting people. One character, my favorite, our favorite character, dale to slam I fucking love the name, you know he tells you, you know I'm good, you know I have a. I have a everyday paying job, which is enough for a drunk like me. But it's sarcasm that he can buy a beer or two, get that buzz and go to sleep. So he's good to go because he doesn't overwhelm himself with uh excess.
Speaker 1:But this is where that one character goes in the red suit, which is what he tempts. He tempts not only him, he tempts characters. But they both do it. Both characters are pretty much sinners. They both work for the mob, and one that goes back to his old past tempts that late his old love to come work with him. So in a way they're all they both, both brothers, but one particular is very good at tempting people. That's the one that you're talking about in Martin Garce's, the one that worked for the Italian mob.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, because you can see it. That's Smoke right, smoke, yeah, smoke, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:The Stacks I thought was the other one Stacks.
Speaker 3:Stack was actually the one that worked for the Italian mob. Oh okay, stack in the red. Yeah, the red. Yeah, he has the red fedora. He sued. He's got the lower cut kind of more silk suit. Uh, with the lower cut it was clean what does he hit three? Button uh two button two lower button and, uh, just a very italian style of the 1930s when you said that made so much sense.
Speaker 3:But it was, it was nice man, I'm not gonna lie, that combo was and then you at Smoke and he's got the I don't know what that type of hat's called. That comes forward, Fedora.
Speaker 1:Not the Fedora. No, it's not Fedora.
Speaker 3:Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, the old-timey hat, it's like a French-looking bun, right, or some shit like that. So the old and he's got the upper like the higher cut with the three button, four button jacket, very Irish, very working man suit. So he was the one that probably had ties to the Irish mob. And I mean I'm talking about the world building. If you go to Spotify, to the center of Spotify, and you go to description, there's like screenshots of newspaper clip-ins. Yeah, the Easter eggs they put in there. And in the newspaper clip-ins it talks about tensions between the Italian and the Irish mob are flaring up after a gang war. Da-da-da-da-da, crazy it's crazy.
Speaker 2:It's all connected to the film, which again is just outstanding work by the director and the sound and everybody. I mean just truly. They never even. That's real.
Speaker 1:That's real, because during that era it was Al Capone who was the Italian arm of the Chicago suit is what they called it. It was so powerful that New York New York handled all of the East Coast and the Florida right, the mob, but Al Capone was so powerful that they didn't fuck in the Midwest, not Minnesota. There's people who lived there Minnesota, wisconsin, what have you. But then the people who lived there, minnesota, wisconsin, what have you? But then the Irish also lived there. Now Irish is so powerful. They put the president in power. You know, john F Kennedy. That's because you know his dad, his daddy was. That's why they were billionaires, for a reason. That's why the John F Kennedys they're like, why are? That's why and that's what it ties back to Jordan, because that's where the movie started, because they're both bringing Bottles and bottles of alcohol.
Speaker 3:That's where the fantasy shit. That's where the Marvel started.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's where the and that's where they tempted a lot of people. Hey, we got that good subs. We got that Irish imported beer, we got the entire, you know the Italian beer, italian wine.
Speaker 3:And that's where.
Speaker 1:And that's where, like the movie, like the, the movie, that was that was pretty much. The whole premise of the movie is like why were they there? Because they're gonna throw a big a club. They were throwing the club in regards to that time where people, these people in that area, suffered. What do they suffer? They literally just got free.
Speaker 1:No more than what 40, 30 years ago slavery yeah and they still gotta work, you know, and they're suffering racism. They're suffering the worst kind of discrimination. Some of them can't find jobs. Imagine them having like eight kids and like, because of racism, they can't find a single job, like how they're gonna feed these kids. So, you know, times are stressful, so out and there is in. The worst part is it's like there's no solution. It's like you gotta sober in a sober manner, face the reality of how harsh america is. And then here come these two devil charmers with alcohol. You know, like you're gonna have a great time. It's gonna be mad bitches out in the party, you know, you know, and and it's like, well, what about music, is that? Well, we know, we got the legendary denton slim and my cousin. You know what was his name. I forgot his fucking name preacher boy, preacher boy that's right.
Speaker 2:They call him a preacher boy because my the bass in that motherfucker's voice was obscene dog Sammy's voice was Ain't no rest for the wicked.
Speaker 1:I was like damn it's crazy, going back two steps.
Speaker 3:They do mention in the movie that the boys were in Chicago working for Al Capone, so Al. Capone does get name dropped in the movie. The Italian they do tie it up. And again, even though we're like conjecturing that they kind of play the mobs against each other, or that one of them play for one mob, the other one play for another, they don't even go into it in the movie. They never actually explain it.
Speaker 3:You're just supposed to figure out the way the movie is One of the girls guesses it and it's like you guys are in trouble. You guys are going to be. You know you guys are going to have you know hell to pay. You got some debts to pay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they were saying, like, once they figure out that it was you that you know had this whole beef, like you mentioned earlier, to rob him from the alcohol.
Speaker 3:But we don't know. We don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was no backstory.
Speaker 2:But that's a great mythos. I mean the seats are there, but that's not what the movie's about. I want to see the scene where Michael B Jordan sticks his tongue in her coos and fucks her so hard that she makes him think that he changed his mind.
Speaker 3:Okay, so we're skipping a few scenes to stack.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. That's the most quotable line out of this whole fucking movie.
Speaker 3:Hailee Steinfeld had the most quotable lines period.
Speaker 2:Period. What was the other one? What was the other one? Look at the fuck in my face.
Speaker 3:Look at the fuck in my face the way she delivered that shit. Yeah, she said it was so, but damn, I was thinking about the other one. You can rob night, damn man. I saw it with a good crowd because I saw, I saw I saw an opening weekend and that theater was lit. And I think I do think that, depending on what crowd you watch it, with a crowd that reacts to the movie makes the movie better.
Speaker 3:I'm not one of those like hey, we're at the movies, we need to be quiet. No, I mean, if you're reacting to the movie, I think it makes the movie better oh yeah, if you're having a side conversation about penguins, then you know fuck off yeah, you're the wrong movie bro but if you're actually reacting to the movie, uh, you know we're all watching and enjoying the movie together if you still get a chance to watch this movie in imax, go check it out.
Speaker 2:Fans demanded it. I watched it in imax.
Speaker 3:I watched it in imax.
Speaker 2:We watched it in imax it's made for imax, those scenes we only watched it because he sold us on it, bro, and I promise you it is well worth it. It's worth the money. The fans wanted it so much. It got brought back to like X amount of theaters in the States.
Speaker 3:And it got brought back to 70 millimeter. If you happen to live there in 70 millimeter theater go watch it.
Speaker 1:The closest one we got here is you know low-key, like one of the reasons why I do advocate with them to watch it in IMAX. Because, like part of like a movie hit is like following the characters, because you want to, like you're observing in real time, like in present moment, what's going on to them. So one of the scenes is like how they bring to life like that era. You see the vehicles, how the people are dressed, the little stores. You know, everything is so historically accurate that that's the whole point of the movie, is like to to get immersed in the world. That's the delta area of the mississippi river.
Speaker 1:Because and that adds to the component of the fear, because moving, moving forward with the antagonist of the movie, you immediately he literally drops in, like no more than the idea of like the the lucifer dropping from fallen angel, and you see him, that's how he jumps in inside the scene with smoke. And Like no more than the idea of like the Lucifer jumping from Fallen angel, and you see him, that's how he jumps in inside the scene with smoke and then, just like that, he's begging for plea, like, hey, you know, have mercy on me, right? Just like the devil, he's taking advantage of the mercy of those vulnerable. You know, it's nothing more than the devil saying hey, you know, know you are. You're supposed to be good To those who Are prosecuted, right?
Speaker 2:No, he tempted them Also with gold though. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:It was also he used their Own prejudice Against them.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 3:I mean chased by these Indians, by the Choctaw.
Speaker 1:And that adds to Like Tico mentioned, right to the World building because I would love to see like a movie about the Choctaw like century before hunting motherfuckers. I mean, they're hunting the vampires In fact, I'll tell you, movie part one is damn, like early before colonialism, hunting werewolves, and the sequel, and the sequel is this one Damn, I'm running more. Hand me that MGM.
Speaker 3:I want a Sinner's Multi-Universe.
Speaker 2:That's Ryan Coogler, bro. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:And part three.
Speaker 3:Sinner's Cinematic Universe.
Speaker 1:And part three Y'all ready? Y'all ready for this, bro? Y'all ready?
Speaker 2:Blade, I got you. I got you Sorry, that was great dog, I fucking love it still.
Speaker 1:Well, he wrote Werewolf Sin prequel, and then, you know, one of the best parties, like, the character antagonist himself is, uh, an irish character, you know.
Speaker 2:So, like, just imagine mcgregor yo, they made the irish guy scary as fuck. He was great he was great. I loved him I think he played it so well, even on those parts where he wasn't scary, you know, just very charming in the very beginning, when they all were like, oh, we play music too and they all hit their fucking tune together, I was like when the fuck did they have time? To choreograph this shit. I was like this don't make no damn.
Speaker 3:And then, well, they had, they got a hive mind and the hive mind is what sold it later on.
Speaker 1:Oh shit it makes the high, like like, uh, the episode rick and morty, the hive lady like broke it down. Like because I saw the episode rick and morty, which we'll do another of the new episode, the new season, there's a new season kind of guys. It made sense about why they connected like even throughout the movie, like he are like his more. The more victims he collected, the more like he was easier for him to temp again a good power, more power yeah a good power that a vampire you don't see for helping.
Speaker 2:Very often in the film like oh you know, unique power, super speed, whatever. But hive mind was different.
Speaker 3:That was a different thing that they hadn't showed well, yeah, because they always show a connection between the maker and the uh, I don't know spawn right, yeah so they always have some kind of connection, but in in this one, the fact that it was more than a connection. It was like they could know each other's thoughts.
Speaker 2:Homeboy knew fucking Mandarin. It also went backwards. I know what you taste like, baby.
Speaker 1:Bro, I wrote that down bro. When they were going to China, I wrote that down.
Speaker 3:He told me he spoke that white devil spoke perfect Chinese.
Speaker 1:Brother, brother, what did he tell us? How funny shit.
Speaker 2:She was shook. She said bro.
Speaker 3:No, but it went both ways Because, as Stack says it at one point he's like I know the clan was coming to wipe us out. Because I was in his head and because he was in his maker's head, he also knew the thoughts of the other clan members. It's not necessarily that he was like they're all high mind, it's just like it's a two-way street between him and the maker. Interesting.
Speaker 2:I didn't even pay attention to that.
Speaker 3:That's a good point, though that's why he was trying to bounce yeah, no, no, no, it's whenever he's trying to get Smoke to come back out. He's like I know he's telling the truth because I know what he's thinking.
Speaker 2:He's, bro, remember he tells him, like that, I forgot about it. Yeah, yeah, it's a good scene, man, it's a good point.
Speaker 3:They can explain that power. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:No, okay, you're right, you're right, I remember, I remember now.
Speaker 3:I remember now yeah yeah, oh, going back to the shark tale, a prequel of the newspaper articles in the. In that screenshot of the newspaper articles, one is of a ship from Ireland with a bunch of blood and buddies but some bodies missing, and the article is dated 1911. So that means that Remick has been in America since 1911. How long has he been hunted or how long has he been like living a bloodshed?
Speaker 1:that's another one that you could definitely add it to, like the prequel as well, of him Him being a victim in Ireland and him being chased by the Catholic Church because he's Irish.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would love to watch it.
Speaker 1:Him escaping to the US. It made sense. He's been the victim of Irish descent because the Irish were very much discriminated through centuries by the English. And today there's two ireland, there's another island that belongs to the uk and then there's ireland itself. And if you go by saying if, like, let's say, if you are physically in another ireland and you're saying this is ireland you're, you may be saying some like terrorist stuff in the eyes of a british citizen, because they are, and that's how deep the colonialism is.
Speaker 1:And it made total sense that he was like the antagonist in the film because of that deep root of racism, all kinds of them like they've been started out by the British themselves discrimination, they can't even fight Jaws themselves, even though they, just because of the accent, because of the language, the language they had, an Irish language. It's been removed. That's why you hear such a thick Irish accent, all these concepts. It made sense of why and that there's a certain scenes where the protagonist of the film prays to God and he mocks him saying that me too, you know, because the Irish had their own religion. You know, kind of like you know, us Hispanics had their own religion. But then, you know, here comes a hand like it means nothing. You know it's well, he's mocking it that it means nothing, but surely it saves them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I mean it's cool and he mentions it whenever they first they're at the door with the, with the brothers. He's like, you know, he's kind of he kind of sells that bitch kind of sells that bitch.
Speaker 1:I've experienced that kind of like uh, oh, yeah, yeah, because are you a clan member he doesn't say boy, he doesn't say that, he says sir.
Speaker 3:He says sir, sir, sir, there's like a moment of like confusion because the other two are clan members.
Speaker 1:Sir, that's how that's how smart this, this demon, was, because his response wasn't a typical racist of the area. It wasn't.
Speaker 3:It wasn't, you know, diminutive it was, you know, respectful, as it should be, you know so I mean yeah, because uh, he kind of drops hints, uh, how old he is, but he is like centuries old. So the oppression that he's talking about is whenever ireland was being conquered by, like the Roman Catholics or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it has to be super.
Speaker 3:So we're talking about when Ireland was still like. They were still had pagan or folklore of their own, oh yeah. So that was when Catholicism was first introduced to Ireland, to Ireland, yeah.
Speaker 1:That would be a prequel. That would be a prequel.
Speaker 3:I'm saying there's more history in there that we know, but it is interesting that they put all those Hints in the movie. And again, it's not what the movie Even is about.
Speaker 2:You know Nah but it's the fans that figured out Something, though you know.
Speaker 1:So much mythos With just one, just the presence Of the character, so much world building, just you know. For like a two hour movie and that scared.
Speaker 3:The few left inside the the building are, like you know, trying to figure out how they're gonna survive the night. And they're out there just like rocky road to dublin or something. Yes, yeah making an irish music video outside. Let's go. Cornbread is like out there, like yeah missing his jaw and shit. Oh, it's great, it's great it was insane, yeah, but again, I mean what? Even what is the movie about? You're an hour 30 into the movie and that's before you even get to the horror stuff.
Speaker 3:True, yeah, that's the part that even we get to all of that. I'm already invested in the characters, even before this is a horror movie, like I'm already invested in the twins.
Speaker 2:I want to know what 30 or 40 miles tastes like.
Speaker 3:I mean I'm interested in Sammy, and how did he?
Speaker 2:How did he eat it?
Speaker 1:I don't know bro, in IMAX bro.
Speaker 3:I want to know how he found that spot.
Speaker 2:I just want to know how you taste, and I know.
Speaker 3:Stack explained it the best way. He's like you don't put too much pressure in it. You ever had some ice cream from that?
Speaker 2:one store in town, ice cream. Man, he sold that shit. I don't know what you're talking about. You won't get a young blood one day. When you get it, no, more.
Speaker 3:He's like I want to try something, right, yeah, lay back brother. Yeah, simon's character was cool too and it was based on what's his name from blues, but basically that one blues oh yeah, the guy the basically went to the crossroads and made a deal with the devil yeah, the tunist guitar.
Speaker 2:That was the whole thing for it. That was, that was where it was made behind and it was that was a heavy was. That was where it was made behind and it was that was a heavy influence. In addition, death from puss in boots was also a heavily influenced for the main villain robert leroy johnson was the delta blue singer robert johnson, yeah suppose he was him robert johnson yeah
Speaker 2:that's right. Death from puss in boots. His red eyes were actually inspiration for the red eyes that the character had, and that was one of the things.
Speaker 3:Oh man, I saw that I named you ryan coogler yeah, he confirms that it's so cool, like wherever he gets his inspirations and it's simple and that was one of the things.
Speaker 2:I'm like man, the red eyes really sold it bro. Yeah, because like the other ones have like a clearish, whitish looking eye or whatever reflective, like cat eyes or whatever, but the his red eyes, specifically for the originator it was, it was really really dope shit, man.
Speaker 1:Honestly, like you can tell the influences of so many movies. One of them is a legendary movie called uh, with george clooney and quentin tarantino dust till dawn. Fine ass, I'm a hike at her prime like stub this toe god bro. Oh, I want that toe down my throat too, if you've seen that movie, no, I wonder how many times he recorded that scene.
Speaker 3:This movie was dust tilly Luton meets Django.
Speaker 1:Bro, I loved it and, low-key though you could even push this movie as, like at the end of the movie, the survivors you know they go to Mexico and they built a bar and then, boom, you know, the night is because that's where Dusty Luton takes from. You know, you never know right or whatever the fuck you know. But it was great because the idea was just, all these characters was to survive the nightfall where all these vampires were outside, you know, hunting them down and and then, um, I kind of like the action side. The only thing is like I wish that because I understand, like look, I'm already I get the concept already spending like an hour and a half and building the mythos. But if I'm gonna, in the action side of the movie scene, like 30 people die, like where are these 30 people? Show up, bro, you know they were there.
Speaker 3:They were there. A lot of people bring that up in social media but uh, especially if you saw it on imax, they're off to the sites I just wasn't paying attention over here.
Speaker 2:If you watch it on screen x, where the screens surround you, screen x is specifically where it was meant for, bro, because they're in the back bag.
Speaker 3:They're in the back the director Ryan. He does such a good job about bringing culture into the screen, you know he did it with Black Panther. Even though Wakanda is a fake nation, he still brought so much culture into it.
Speaker 3:And they want Wakanda forever. He did it for not his own culture, but Mayan culture. Yeah, and in this one, of course, it's about the African-American, the Mississippi Delta, but he also brought in some Irish culture into it More than he needed to really. Yeah, absolutely, because we're talking about the experience in the Mississippi Delta. They weren't slaves anymore, but technically they still worked for the plantation and they had no way to actually get out. They weren't even being paid US dollars, they were being paid in funny money from the plantation.
Speaker 1:That's so fucked up. I hate that. That's so fucked up.
Speaker 3:They specifically say the wooden nickels. The wooden nickels were a thing, they were like wood nickels and like I mean, today you can see them like a museum or something, but some people still have like wooden nickels, that's disgusting, that's crazy. You know, there was no way for them to escape the plantation because they weren't making any real money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they show it like hey man, you know how much is this beer? You know 10 cents, like damn. I only got a nickel, and like these wooden nickels as well, and they're like you know, you can buy like toilet paper or something the plantation store and it's crazy, yeah, and that's the worst part, but that's the whole point, that they show that historical events, man, and out of all historical events.
Speaker 1:I guess that's one of the reasons why they show that, because that's where blues I imagine I am arrives from, which is the hymns of kinfolk singing slavery songs during their labor hours, which developed to blues, which I imagine is what it is. Showing that scene. It become rock and roll. Well, no, I'm sorry, I take that back. It became jazz and then jazz it became rock and roll. And if rock and roll became, we know what they know, hip-hop, but there's that scene, there's a magical scene where the main character, robert johnson's playing his guitar, sammy, preacher boy, preacher boy, I'm sorry. And because at the beginning of the movie, like you mentioned, all these cultures appear, and all cultures, because that includes the characters from China.
Speaker 3:Yes, because they're there, it also brings in a Chinese dancer and because Hailey's there, brings in like a ballerina or something. A ballerina, yeah, like because there's different people in the building. It also brings their cultures, their, their, their spirits, uh, from past and present. You know, it's funny because that scene could have been kind of like. I could see how that scene could have gone wrong, I could see how that scene could have been goofy, but no, it wasn't. It was very surreal, it was a surreal experience and it just worked it did.
Speaker 2:It was shot so well and you got it. You understood it and again, I think that that pretense is the prequel, or what was it before the actual film started it was like a little prologue the prologue, before the prologue, before the actual film really mattered. If, like I said, we missed that, I was like, oh, this is really cool, it was done very well, but I didn't know that that was a real thing. And then, once you found out, you're like, oh shit, that was really cool and like sammy has some.
Speaker 2:I mean in this world, in the sinners universe, he has some real power yes, there were two things I wanted to talk about before we talk about, like, the secret final ending of sammy looking up a preacher boy looking up. The one thing I wanted to say was the justifiable crash out Peter Quill whenever he finds out Gamora died, or the Asian chick whenever she was like come in you motherfuckers.
Speaker 1:I was like and you know what I think I want to say the Asian lady, because you're right, because a big part of the movie was the idea of the name Sinners, because the characters that we focus on in the movie, they all, in this way, are sinners. You know, and I'm tying this at the same time with the music because, in a way, surrealism right Like you could argue that suddenly the movie becomes surreal, so you could argue from then on that the vampires weren't even real. It's like a metaphor. You can say whatever if you want, of judgment, because they're all sinners. Some of them committed adultery, some of them were doing murder. The lady was wrath, you know you brought that up, merrick in the movie, that because her hatred towards the damage of her child was straight. Well, fuck it. You know you can hear two grenades on the same bridge.
Speaker 2:You know, right behind, yeah, that is yeah. Just saying bro. That's how she went out bro. She crashed out she only killed one fucking Her husband. Only that was it.
Speaker 3:Speaking of other grenades, we're going to have an episode on Wing Girls. That's going to be a fun episode. Toco-toco-toe, toco-toco-toe.
Speaker 3:Wait for that episode, that would have been my spirit and the character of even the Chinese couple man, very interesting for them to be in the movie Like you're talking about, she's rot and I think she did have a badly crash out. I think it was a very badly crash out. He's like, hey, if you don't let us in, we're going to go get your daughter. And they had the information on the daughter because From the husband the husband I forgot his name, but the husband, he was turned the male clerk.
Speaker 2:Yes, clerk, yes, I agree, and I would say the only correct answer is that she has the more justifiable reason. Peter quills was lame in comparison. Like, don't be wrong, I get the woman that she died she was so ready to go.
Speaker 3:She had, like she was lighting up molotov cocktails. She was like, she asked her sister.
Speaker 2:She said come in, you mother. You know what I'm saying. Nah, bro, she was fucking, she was ready. I bet you that in spanish, I bet you that was an awesome sub again.
Speaker 3:Uh, really cool that they did the research and the history, because in this time, in the mississippi delta, uh, chinese migrants that came in and set up shop filled a very specific need because the, the, the black people, couldn't go into the white stores and they couldn't set up shop filled a very specific need because the, the, the black people, couldn't go into the white stores and they couldn't set up stores of their own. So where did they shop? Well, chinese stores started popping up.
Speaker 3:That feel, that need, and you can see whenever the camera follows her across the road number two fried rice she is able to cross the street, she's able to go into their other storefront on the white side of the street, oh yeah, and that's what that's supposed to show you, that they're able because they're white, passing or you know. You know what I mean, Right, that they could go onto the other side of the street, Unlike you know the rest of the.
Speaker 2:Interesting I you know the rest of the interesting, I didn't even
Speaker 3:pay attention to that. That's a good fact, that's a good tip.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they got yankee not checkers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, xiangji is called elephant chess, which is chinese chess, so I'm trying to say like chess, not checkers, so xiangji, yeah so I mean they had two storefronts and they made.
Speaker 3:They made money on one side and on the other I mean bro.
Speaker 1:That's like they've done this for decades, bro, like, oh my God, they benefited from it From both sides.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but, it also made them part of the community, bro. The moment they opened, you can see they were part. They were invited to the jukchon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, the. Moment they opened a Chinese restaurant Mexican community in the 40s. Bro, they became billionaires.
Speaker 3:It was great.
Speaker 1:It was great because I know for sure, I like the way they even have that negotiation, it's like I was going to cost you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. How much is the sign For a big one, little one, this much. And that's remember. He was just, he was ready to pay for it. She was like, oh, we got this blue paint.
Speaker 3:Oh, she's like we only got one color. What color is it?
Speaker 2:Red. No, yeah, red, shit $14. Yeah, $14.50. $14.50. All right, cool, $14.50. $14.50.
Speaker 1:How much was that? And that vase of flowers and that vase.
Speaker 2:All right deal. That's like $1, dollars bro. Yeah, my mind had to be big like 140, no like 1400 yeah, bro, because somebody's dropping a buck. You were getting groceries for the whole family.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm assuming like yeah, because they were saying is this one, because they were well it might be about the beer.
Speaker 3:The beer is 10 cents. Yeah, think about it like that was a luxury.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we spent 20 in the beer.
Speaker 3:Now, bro, at the bar but the beer was 10 cents.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 10 cents, yeah that's what I'm saying, like if you were dropping a dollar like that was family for the whole week. Jam beers, absolutely that's a fast stack of bread. Oh, I apologize, that's a fast stack of bread.
Speaker 1:How much is a beer? Like eight bucks. That's a mortgage like 100 years ago.
Speaker 2:Absolutely bro. Yeah for the year, yeah, bro.
Speaker 3:I think. What other point did you want to make? The final ending?
Speaker 2:Oh, there's two. This little as a true, as a true.
Speaker 3:Marvel movie. This movie has Two after credits scenes.
Speaker 1:Two Hold on, we'll get there. Hold on, we'll get there. So so, pretty much. At the end, right, the demon himself Is welcomed Per se. It walks and creates chaos.
Speaker 3:My argument is that he's not a demon, he's a vampire.
Speaker 1:But he's not. He's a vampire. I apologize, he's not a demon.
Speaker 3:I mean we could. We could make the metaphor that he's a demon, but he is not a demon.
Speaker 1:That's my argument. Before we get there, the fight between Michael B Jordan and his twin brother.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was a great Fucking fight.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I think that acting skills, which is like again Michael B Jordan in my head there's two people. He's a good actor.
Speaker 3:He plays it so well. Somebody said that it really was meant to be two people and Chadwick Boseman was supposed to play.
Speaker 2:Smoke yeah.
Speaker 3:Somebody said Chadwick Boseman was supposed to play Smoke and you could see it. You could see him playing the better character and that's why that line we cousins Would have meant so much more. Damn.
Speaker 2:Brother that.
Speaker 1:Baby, the night dies. All the stars are closer.
Speaker 3:All the stars are closer, and at the end when he says that was the last time we seen the sun with my brother. Baby, the night dies, and then we know All the stars are closer. That was the last time that we see the sun With my brother when the sun rises.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely. I love it. It was beautiful. Which leads to the end, the part where the vampire himself Is, like you know, doing like Very and this is very like Blast him for scary, but pretty much Is like the end, the climax of the movie, where he has Preacher Boy by the neck and he tells him Like hey, your magic power, if I consume you, I can summon All the people that I lost you know, cause he has the ability. I can summon all the people that I lost you know, because he has the ability I can summon, like my, my my ancestors.
Speaker 3:He wants to use Sammy like to work for him basically.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and pretty much that's key.
Speaker 3:Like he can't turn him because then he would lose that.
Speaker 1:Oh, so he was kicking with like a oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Like a pet. That's last I think that's oh, so he was killed. He was like a oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Like a pet, like slaves. I think that's key oh.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's more.
Speaker 3:That's more guessing. We're again guessing. We're making connections.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But I think it was key that he couldn't turn him. He wanted Sammy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause he wanted to.
Speaker 3:He could've been, but he couldn't, yeah he wanted Sammy, but he didn't necessarily Wanna kill him, he just wanted him yeah because he'd be turning to him At the end. He was just so fucking mad that he was about to kill him.
Speaker 1:And even like it's crazy, like he had like huge-ass claws that when he touched them like he scarred them right here on that fucking spot and he just started praying Like everybody was literally the people that he consumed were literally praying by the riverside. And at the end of the prayer, which is this is the part where it's called do sex machina in movie form, do sex machina? Like? Suddenly the God appears and like plot ends, but the guitar appears and he bashes him in the head, which is the silver in the guitar that scars him and then, out of nowhere, like a penis is growing out his fucking chest and there's literally Michael.
Speaker 2:B. Jordan penetrating the fucking vampire that he somehow.
Speaker 1:You have to put it like that. I didn't condone on that. He jumped from the rooftop of the fucking thing. 367 20.
Speaker 3:Perfect splash, no noise because the other people didn't hear it. Apparently they were so entranced by the prayer thanks.
Speaker 1:That's why the prayer quote-unquote worked oh well, I thought I just imagined going like a drop, like olympic one, like like like no noise water, you know what?
Speaker 3:yeah, no look I mean, it's a movie you're supposed to like, suspend some belief. Oh, what the fuck is this? What the fuck?
Speaker 2:michael b jordan says look, my character jumps off the balcony, does a 16 cartwheel.
Speaker 3:He was a soldier single quiet.
Speaker 2:He rolls nat 20 oh oh my goodness.
Speaker 3:Another thing about that prayer is like he's mocking it, let's go, oh my goodness. Another thing about that prayer is like he's mocking it because he has no power on him and that's supposed to say more about Christianity and how he didn't have no power. It doesn't. I mean, today, yeah, the Irish you know are Catholics, but back then they were colonized by that religion, just like Africa was colonized by that religion, but Africa had its own culture, had its own beliefs. And then we have a homegirl. Um, I forgot her name. God, I forgot everybody's name in the movie. But she makes a, a bag.
Speaker 3:I forgot what it's called hunger with the fat titties uh, the bag that he gives smoke, yeah, a little m bag.
Speaker 2:So with the m where it? Is it a mojo bag? A mojo bag, yeah, is that what it is? Cause he got his mojo. I'll stop anyway, she was.
Speaker 3:She gives him the mojo bag and she's like that's actually what's been Protecting you the whole time and he calls that shit out though. Like in vampire lore, instead of being a cross that stops the vampire, it was actually that mojo bag that stopped Stag from biting him when they were fighting on the second roof. I thought it was the silver on his necklace. No, it was the mojo bag.
Speaker 2:Really yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, again, I'm making an assumption. We don't know yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it was a thing that he had in his neck. That was the silver. So it was the silver because when he got closer it did the woo yeah.
Speaker 3:It was the mojo bag, because that that had real power instead of the you know the religion.
Speaker 2:That was like forced upon them. Interesting, I did think it was how he called it out. He was just like well, why didn't this work for the baby?
Speaker 1:and I was like which was, but anyways, it does.
Speaker 3:It does that which I believe that their own beliefs were more powerful than the which is the baby he's talking about, which is the?
Speaker 1:scene where uh michael j Stacks remember his name Stacks Smoke, Smoke, Smoke Smoke is the character that calls himself the soldier, like a soldier of God, so you can say he's pretty much like the righteous hand of God through the movie in a way, I can see that yeah.
Speaker 1:And at the same, you can see, because of his reward. You know, the reward is that he got to see his loved ones in the other side and he got to held a baby, which is like a baby in terms of Christianity, is like free of sin, you know right, it's like Jesus. I had let the you know you should be more like children, because children walk in heaven, because they're free of sin. So that's the point of the baby. So if he gets to hold the baby means that, in a way, smoke was unlike the other, though he was a murderer, gangster, in the sense he was redeemed by many instances of showing, uh, mercy, like I mentioned earlier he took his own girl's life, that's, that's a specific scene of mercy, oh mercy or I was gonna bring it up simple stuff first, going to start first with the wood coins that you were mentioning.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because he was the first.
Speaker 1:Nah, fuck, I was the first. No, yeah yeah. And then she's like bro, come on, like, look where you're at. Like the reality is like okay, you know. So, like mercy, compounds, you know, up to his brother he was supposed to kill his brother, shows of you know, and etc. So therefore, like, and his final act was him killing clan members that, after a horrible night of facing vampires that are pretty much immortal, what's 10, 15 clan members? You know, some good old boy never did no harm which is like one remick.
Speaker 3:Remick was never the villain in the movie.
Speaker 1:The clan members were the villain yes, which is the reason why I which now I think is one of the reasons why I didn't make that much of a headline because that final scene but that's my favorite scene when Smoke just guns down all the Klan members bro.
Speaker 2:It's crazy because they show it in the trailer but there's no context. It's not even seeing him shoot people, just him with the fucking machine gun.
Speaker 3:That's all you see like he first pulls out the sniper rifle and starts taking out people with a 50.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when he was dropping motherfuckers throwing grenades that was insane, oh and.
Speaker 3:I want to see that prequel movie also the twins in, like German trenches, world War 2 or some shit like that. Yeah, cause you say it it's like we were in the German trenches together.
Speaker 2:That would be badass that would be badass.
Speaker 3:That would be badass.
Speaker 2:Like some, it makes me think of like remember X-Men.
Speaker 3:Origins Wolverine it would have been.
Speaker 2:World War I, x-men, wolverine's origin remember. Like how they gave you that. I want the slowed down version of that same shit. They gave me that same movie, bro, I want the whole thing.
Speaker 1:That movie could be a two part.
Speaker 2:Part one was the oh and then look, which then leads into sinners. He just started with the ending first, bro they could be like.
Speaker 3:They could be like four or five movies that come out of this. Let's jump to the end now. Secret ending. Secret ending, numero dos numero dos.
Speaker 2:That happens after you realize that his brother Stax, has survived with his love interest and you realize at the very end that the guitar player sunny no longer has sammy, sammy no longer has his uh, his reflection also in the mirror. Some people pointed that out.
Speaker 2:Some people pointed that out but because you see the bartender and he's standing right in front of them, you expect to see no vampires reflection. But sammy's was the one that was like, was it just the angle? That's really hot. And then that's where the second finale comes in, the secret ending kids in the play. He sings a song and then he looks up and looking up. The option is that he gets hit with two or three things right, there's like a lot of theories in there.
Speaker 3:Like one theory is just like it's just a happy ending or not a happy, but a happy callback whenever he, he uh, you know, he mentioned in the movie that his dad asked him to sing or to play for at the church and he's like, what could you do a little light of mine?
Speaker 1:and he's just looking up at his dad, so it's just a call back to like that day in the church which pause, which is what my theory is right there and there, which is like we're following this story of preacher boy throughout the movie. So the entire story is moving from the very, very past. Now here's what I this is where I distinguish what you're saying. Uh, in regard, oh, I'm sorry, what mark is saying? The movie doesn't loop around preacher boys. Oh, we're gonna go back in time and see what happened during this time. You know, when he was playing that little out of mind in my head, it progressed to him all the way until death.
Speaker 1:Where you start with the youth or preacher boy, you get to secret ending number one. He's 90. He just asked him hey, what was it like? Because he was so curious, because he, he thought about it, and he's like well, you know, hey, it's shit, because you know I miss the people that died and I never get to sunlight. He's like fuck that. And now, secret ending number two sam, he died, he died, he went to heaven and therefore he's youthful again and he made it the sacrifice of stacks of smokes. Is him in heaven, seeing his dad saying this little light of mine that he preserved the light from the very beginning that they told him to preserve so to me. I move forward for Preacher Boy, the entire movie where we see him in heaven in a sense. Okay.
Speaker 2:I like that. That's one good theory, no.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's theory number three. Oh, that's the third theory. Okay, that's right. No, pause.
Speaker 3:That's theory number three. Oh, I'm sorry. No, they didn't. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, and then we got.
Speaker 3:That's theory number two. I mean, you can take theory number two.
Speaker 2:Theory number two is that Sammy is looking up at the devil. He ends up making a deal with the devil at that exact moment in time and sells his soul for him to tune his guitar. And that's why, whenever we see him in the film, stax is so impressed with him. He's just like, oh, you can play the blues now. And he's why, even when he sees the old man, he's like he's a kid. What the fuck does he know about the blues? And he's a bad motherfucker when he plays. So he did the deal. He did the deal there. That's why he's a sinner, correct.
Speaker 1:Oh, I like that, that's it but it's up to you guys. You know, at the end of the day, that's another connection.
Speaker 3:It's cool. It's cool. I think it works and I think a lot of the references are not necessarily to Christianity. So that's why heaven or deal with the devil, I don't lean on those. I lean more on like the other types that they have. Like Smoke didn't go to heaven. He went to go see his ancestors or the people that he had already passed.
Speaker 1:Wakanda forever.
Speaker 3:It wasn't the Christian heaven, it was their own beliefs.
Speaker 2:It went into the spiritual planes. I get it bro, it makes sense.
Speaker 1:So at the end of the day, man, let's rate the movie, let's wrap this up, y'all. I'm going to give it a hard 7.5 out of 10. Or 75 out of 100.
Speaker 3:Oscar winner Nominated for best movie of the year, it only loses because of prejudice.
Speaker 2:I'm going to give it a 9.5. I'm going to give it a solid 8.5. 8.23. I really enjoyed the film. It's going to probably win Oscar for best original screenplay. Soundtrack was phenomenal.
Speaker 3:It's got to give it best director, at least best director, amazing acting.
Speaker 2:Dude. I mean everything the acting, the cinematography, the music, the women, the characters.
Speaker 3:We didn't even really go into music. But Ludwig Goins, he does such a good job with his soundtrack man Peak, absolute peak. This guy doesn't miss, he did the music for Creed, for Panther 1 and 2. Sounds like his mother, but yeah. So I mean the way he does the score and then he does the actual music and then he looks for this talent is crazy.
Speaker 1:Suki, you saw the movie. What are your thoughts Before we?
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