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Rising to Power: Colin Farrell's Penguin Takes Center Stage in HBO Series

Oski, xFer, and Merc Season 4 Episode 27

Curious how a minor character from "The Batman" could rise to become the central figure of a new HBO series? This episode promises to satisfy your curiosity as we celebrate Suki's wedding and dive into an in-depth discussion on Colin Farrell's mesmerizing portrayal of Oswald Cobblepot in "The Penguin." Merc, Oski, and xFer kick things off with some entertaining banter before diving deep into Farrell's transformative performance, drawing parallels to Heath Ledger's iconic Joker. We explore the character's evolution and how Farrell brings a captivating presence to the DC's latest series.

We pay homage to the classic mob films that inspired "The Penguin," discussing character portrayals, power dynamics, and the vacuum left by Carmine Falcone's fall. The episode highlights Penguin's strategic leadership and the complex themes of duality and character development, reminiscent of "The Sopranos." The impact of lighting and cinematography on showcasing Penguin's contrasting personality aspects adds another layer to our conversation. We also take a closer look at minor characters, like Victor Zsasz, and how they can evolve into significant figures within the storyline.

The excitement doesn't stop there. Our spirited discussion on future references to the Batman universe touches on characters like The Riddler, Catwoman, and even the possibility of Mr. Freeze appearing in upcoming installments. We debate the inclusion of the Joker, express our enthusiasm for Robert Pattinson's and Ben Affleck's Batman portrayals, and speculate on how the Penguin's storyline could intertwine with other characters in James Gunn's new DC Universe. Join us for an episode filled with humor, nostalgia, and enthusiastic commentary that promises an engaging experience for all DC fans.

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Speaker 2:

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You expect us to do you favors, what kinds?

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Speaker 1:

On this thing we called. What do we call this again?

Speaker 3:

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Speaker 2:

Kiss the ring.

Speaker 3:

Kiss it. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. There we go Lower that shitsuki. Thank you so much for joining the WBN podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Woody Vance and Miki, I am one of your hosts. It's your boy, merc. Thank you, guys for tuning in.

Speaker 2:

And this is your hosts. It's your boy, merc. Thank you guys for tuning in. And this your boy.

Speaker 1:

Oh sorry, this your boy, austin, the big, it's a big, and this is your boy X-Squared.

Speaker 3:

Guys, we got a hell of a show for you this week. I hope you guys enjoyed our bit. We're talking everything. Penguin, penguin, penguin Just came out on HBO Max. The DC Universe is getting wild y'all. Colin Farrell, all the greatness of the show. It's going to be awesome. You guys ready for the episode? I'm ready, bro.

Speaker 2:

I'm ready. Let's have fun with it.

Speaker 3:

Let's go Welcome back everybody. Woo-hoo and we're back Welcome to this thing.

Speaker 2:

Have your guys meet my guys out by the pier.

Speaker 1:

And they're going to talk about the show. I talk about this guy. I know a guy. They call him a pinguino.

Speaker 3:

A pinguino, oswald Cobblepot. Oswald.

Speaker 1:

Cot. He's a good friend, he's a friend of ours, he's a friend of the family.

Speaker 3:

You know he works with us.

Speaker 2:

This is our guy, he's a very well-known character.

Speaker 3:

He's well-off, he does the work that we don't want to do. Welcome back Tony, Welcome back Steve, Not for real. Cut the music. Cut the music.

Speaker 2:

Cut the bit. It's WBN Podcast. We're back and this episode we're going to talk about the new series that just dropped. It's only one episode, but we felt it and we want to do a full episode breakdown. A few spoilers ahead. We're going to start with a spoiler free review and then we're going to get in dig into some real spoilers. Are you guys cool with that?

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, absolutely let's go.

Speaker 2:

All right. So first off, let me start off. As a preparation to watch the penguin, I rewatched Batman. Uh, as a preparation to watch the penguin, I rewatched the Batman. Oh, I forgot how good of a movie it is man. You rewatched it too recently, too right.

Speaker 1:

I did, man, it's peak, it's peak, it's peak.

Speaker 2:

And you know it was funny cause I thought I was like, okay, they're going to do a whole spin on series on the penguin. I mean, you know, I I forgot how small his part really is in the Batman. Yeah, like he's just a side character. He has like maybe four scenes.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, because he's a minuscule character If he doesn't get pulled out of the car with the heels on.

Speaker 1:

You know, like you don't know.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

So I thought it was funny that I didn't realize how much of a small part he had in the batman. But uh, it was definitely something you remember like the little humor that there wasn't a batman came from the penguin. I also want to say that yes he was a little bit of a humor, humor um relief yeah comic relief in the batman and I love that about that, because he's so like in colin farrell man.

Speaker 1:

I mean I don't want to get into colin farrell but the acting, because you're already bringing up the movie In the movie alone. We couldn't believe it was him.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I remember that I was like that's Colin Farrell, bro. Nah, there's no way.

Speaker 1:

And the performance we're like my God, bro, that's Penguin bro, he transformed yeah. Yeah, and like bro, it's like. So Heath Ledger is known as the copy him. Bro. This guy did something like completely left field for something, that's you know a couple. Yes, there's source material everywhere.

Speaker 1:

Yes, obviously yeah yeah because there's so many iterations of this specific character right, but but his own, like person that he brought into the character you think is an actor that they put scars in his face and it's somebody completely different. You know, you don't know. It's fucking a guy that you that does really play like the heartthrob, or the guy that plays like the uh, the action hero yeah, he's playing the good looking guy yeah, remember, phone booth bro oh man, I love that movie.

Speaker 2:

That was one of my favorite I forgot all about that shit. I can't wait to be clipped if you don't hang up, you know, I'll kill somebody bro you know, the movie doesn't work as long as it's me click.

Speaker 3:

It doesn't call the pizza man. Hey, get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2:

It ain't me click. It doesn't age well, because Gen Z and Generation Alpha would probably be like what the fuck's a phone booth.

Speaker 3:

What the fuck is a phone booth?

Speaker 2:

Why? Why is he there, bro? Why is?

Speaker 3:

he called that. Where's his cell phone?

Speaker 1:

Just FaceTime him you know, but that guy that guy is Oswald Cobblepot, bro you know, yeah, man, and he delivered the whole, the whole movie, like the whole plot line, his character, and there were some things that you know, like the logo itself, the penguin, the red label, is pretty much an homage to the Sopranos, which is like red, it has a gun, but in this case it's a penguin, it's a P, it's a penguin shape.

Speaker 1:

And I didn't know like there is instances in the comics where Cobblepot interacts with his mom yeah, but in the Sopranos it's the complete opposite. This is why I believe Penguin Solo is the Tony crew, because he has something that not even Batman doesn't have, which is a motherly support.

Speaker 3:

That was one of the most impactful scenes because she was like, hey, I got to get you out, mean you jumped uh like you pulled on me, you pulled on me really hard there but uh, yes but yes, spoilers right off the bat, the fucking bad spoilers right off the bat, but it was great.

Speaker 2:

Yes, because that was one of my favorite scenes, because his mom basically said mama ain't race no bitch mama said knock you out, motherfucker.

Speaker 1:

I'm sorry, I was like damn we can backtrack, because that's like the middle Before we get to the end. That's the middle, so we can start from there. Start at the beginning, like pretty much introducing this character that was Batman.

Speaker 3:

Yes, so going back to the movie, I mean the movie the series.

Speaker 2:

We gotta talk about this guy that keeps messing up with our city. We got them city.

Speaker 1:

He be dressed as a fucking bat. As a fucking bat, who is?

Speaker 3:

this guy. I heard he got Falcone brother In my territory Falcone was a small fry. He's the guy that killed Falcone.

Speaker 1:

Falcone's, our fall guy.

Speaker 3:

Oh, that's right. Falcone's just a fall guy.

Speaker 2:

No, it's crazy that they did kill Falcone, because Falcone is like one of the big Batman characters.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

He killed one of the main mafia mob characters in the Batman world. It does leave like this vacuum Vacuum, yeah, vacuum of power. Yes, so I do like that. That's the setup for the series. It's like after the Batman movie, because the series is set up. It's been a week. It's been a week.

Speaker 3:

It in my movie because the series is set up right after it's been a week. It's been six days. You see the same scene. Yeah, you see the same scene in the movie where he's looking out at the city from it being damaged.

Speaker 1:

I'm thinking that scene where he's looking out at the city at the end of the movie he's picturing like the next steps to take. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I do really like that. That's the premise. This is set five days after. The movie is basically the fallout. They took out carmine falcone, the big bad, the big boss, and now who's gonna take over the city?

Speaker 3:

I love that he was so early on it, bro, that it was so soon after it happened. He still had time to go break into his uh, his spot and steal the dirt that he had on everybody and in my mind I'm like he owns the city right now. With that information, he owns the city. Oh, what he picked up in that envelope?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, was that Harvey Dent? That's my theory. Is that Harvey Dent?

Speaker 3:

Oh, the general DA. It was like a DA, I think it was, because, if you think Harvey has a gambling problem and people didn't know that.

Speaker 1:

Because he knows. I've just done my guess.

Speaker 3:

I'm just shooting shit here.

Speaker 1:

I think it Because there was a picture of him with the casino playing blackjack.

Speaker 2:

Who was the person that was there?

Speaker 1:

That's what I'm guessing.

Speaker 2:

Did you guys scan the?

Speaker 1:

QR code. That's what I'm saying, that's what I think. There's a QR code, you guys didn't see that in the show. No, he's like scan it.

Speaker 3:

Scan the QR code. He's saying that and it says something about Two-Face. You could hear it figure.

Speaker 1:

Hey, is that harvey?

Speaker 2:

it's something connected, that's interesting because there is a connection there, uh, with one of the characters in the series is like in the comics. Well, I guess we're gonna jump around yeah, obviously it's a great show. Check it out but um what's her name?

Speaker 3:

the daughter falcone yeah, oh, the crazy bitch falcone falcone, but what's her name?

Speaker 2:

falcone daughter alexis sonia sonia sophia sophia sophia, I'm so sorry, sophia Falcone. Like in the comic run that she comes from, she, her connection ends With like Harvey Dent, like she gets shot by Two-Face, oh, or something like that. She, she hasn't made that many appearances. She's actually a character that was first introduced In the Long Halloween Storyline. Oh.

Speaker 1:

Which Long Halloween is like one of the greatest. Yeah, that's so cool.

Speaker 2:

Which focuses more on the crime than Falcone series.

Speaker 1:

Is this Long Halloween? No, no, no, no, no, that's hush. It's hush, you're right, sorry, yeah, it's hush. You know what's funny the actress.

Speaker 2:

The sequel Dark Victory.

Speaker 1:

The, the actress. She looks so petite and pretty that looks like Rocky. Remember Rocky's wife. What was her name? Oh, from the first, rocky Adrian. She was the daughter in the Godfather, she was the one that was getting married and all that stuff. She's the Godfather's daughter in the first one. She plays that pivotal role. The daughter of Don Corleone.

Speaker 2:

This actress? No, no, no, adrianenne Adrienne, adrienne actress, I didn't know that that's so cool. Yeah, that's her.

Speaker 1:

And she looks petite and very pretty, just like the actress that plays Sofia Falcone that you see another reference like they take that from movies. In this case, they picked that actress, her. Yeah, but she looks like if you Google.

Speaker 2:

Christine Miloti. Is that the actress of the?

Speaker 1:

Penguin.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, okay, I think so.

Speaker 3:

I don't know. He's trying to find the original one from the Godfather.

Speaker 2:

Oh, okay, From the Penguin. Her name is Christine Miloti.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, Suki, for forwarding that so she plays the plays like the daughter Of Of Don Corleone, and so, if you see her, talia Shire. Talia Shire is her name.

Speaker 2:

She looks like the Like Christine Migliori.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and that's the. The new Sofia, and that's the whole point of it and that's the point of it In the movie she is.

Speaker 3:

Oh, you're saying, this is the homage, the homage of the actress.

Speaker 1:

Someone's so petite and pretty because just like the book, is written that she's very pretty and petite in the books as well and she is the daughter of the ma family. But in this case, in in the halloween, because it has come from like the actress they chose specifically is to like give her like a you know, hey, look at the godfather, remember that, look how you know she looks like. But there's many scenes not just like the actress but like, for example, this scene where um kabo pa's invited um to sit down oh yeah yeah, that's reminding me of scarface.

Speaker 1:

Remember the scene like we spoke about it a while ago. He's like, hey, I'll make a couple million here, I'll make a couple million there.

Speaker 3:

I'll make a couple million there, you know, because, oh, you make million dollar moves on your own. Now, is that what you do?

Speaker 2:

Tony Is that what you do, and what does he call it? Being called up, being called up to a family.

Speaker 3:

Oh, yeah, yeah, what is it being summoned or something?

Speaker 2:

It's basically something like what does this mean? That you're being called?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, sit down, sit down, sit down. You come and sit down here. Sit down, you think I'm going to leave this place safe?

Speaker 2:

We got to talk about your operation. We're going to shut down the drops in your plant.

Speaker 1:

We're losing money here.

Speaker 2:

Well, hold up, shut down the plant.

Speaker 3:

We're losing money here.

Speaker 2:

Can we go back, rewind the tape right off the bat. That's where the penguin actually like. I was like okay, this is gonna be a good show it's gonna be a good show.

Speaker 2:

Same thing, same thing I said okay, I don't know if you guys watch someone in marketing, but uh, I watched a little bit of the marketing and there was a teaser at the end of the batman if you watch it on max where the teaser was like, yeah, this is a story about the vacuum of power and who's going to take Cobra, is it Al Falcone or Sofia Falcone? So they were setting up that Al Falcone was going to be a character that was going to be throughout the series. If you watched some of the marketing, al Falcone was supposed to be like you know, there was going to be a

Speaker 2:

power struggle between alfalfa cone and sofia falcone maybe hilarious popped off in the first five minutes you know, the penguin just double taps, him triple taps triple tap to the first five minutes. Yeah, bro, I mean he put like yeah, it was, he unloaded that clip, he got that yeah, he went off on his ass, bro.

Speaker 3:

I loved it, oh, but I mean he was open with that's where he fucked up. Yeah, he was honest with him and homeboy saw right through it.

Speaker 2:

I thought, I thought, uh, and it really does give you, like a better idea of what the character is, because uh, yeah, what he believes in up this character like to like. Maybe you want to root for the guy when he tells you the story of, uh, calipresi, yeah, and he tells you a story about this gangster that was well liked by the community and he took care of the community and that's so. You want me to be like this fucking nobody? Is that what you want?

Speaker 3:

me to be? Because this fucking nobody. Is that what you want me to be? Because it's going to be easier for you to take what the fuck is mine. Huh. Is that what you?

Speaker 1:

Or is that your?

Speaker 3:

dream. Yeah, oh, that's your dream, isn't it? Hey man, he got in his ass, though I ain't going. I felt bad, I was like I was like yeah, and then he's like no. Oh shit, I felt bad.

Speaker 1:

That was a great scene. Yeah, he laughed at him bro.

Speaker 2:

And I liked that, that dichotomy of it.

Speaker 1:

I liked that about that character, about Pigman, because he is like rational, like you see that Throughout that, the first episode alone when he like I'll reason it out with you, I'll talk you out, you know I'm gonna be nice, you know he's gonna give you all Business opportunity, you know, and like no, he's like fuck it, let's business opportunity. No, he's just like fuck it, let's do it. He doesn't have to sit down, he does it when he goes to the jail, and we'll talk about it in just a second. First he becomes like hey, I'm here to offer my services, I'm here to be your friend. Even with Sofia they have dinner. Hey, what do I know? He's a drunkie, he's always like nice, I like that about couple pot. Like every time he has to sit down with anybody, first he talks it out and then you know if I get like, like, like, like, if he has to that's an interesting take on it, because the way I saw it was he described his character.

Speaker 3:

He's just like I go to these meetings, I go to these sit downs, I, I, I pretend to be small, I make them feel big and I go about my business yes, and I was like that's exactly what he does. I was like he makes it. Whatever you need, man, you know I'm fucking. I'm here to help out.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know. However, I can be of assistance. I mean, he's playing a character, basically, yeah, and he knows it. He knows the character. I'm the dude disguised as it shows you, like the light in the character, like, okay, he wants to be like this Calabrese character where he's like, uh, respected by everybody.

Speaker 3:

By the community.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, Take care of his people. So you see that lighting his character, you see a little bit of lighting his eyes.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And then what'd you see right after when he shoots him?

Speaker 3:

you see the penguin, yeah.

Speaker 2:

You see the darkness.

Speaker 1:

You see how much of uh um, you see basically how much darkness he really has again it's awesome you could kind of see, you could kind of see, this is the seeds for what he's likely to become yes how much darker he's likely to become yeah because, I'm like yeah, which is also the theme of sopranos too like the whole idea you're writing with tony as it becomes like a capo and as it becomes boss and the evilness he had to do to become boss which is another, which is obvious theme again, but like it makes me think of the therapist thing that you talked about.

Speaker 3:

He's just like working through his bullshit.

Speaker 1:

He finally gets to be the ultimate boss, and I'm like you see, you see the balls in Penguin, because he comes out. You got the balls in the fucking ball and he, he comes out and just blasts it Clack, clack, clack, clack. Hey, you're the wrong fucking night to fuck with me, man. Yeah, bro, that was so good, I gotta say he's a short guy, right, but he was like suddenly 8'10". Yes, I gotta say.

Speaker 2:

Do you see all those scenes where he's like, you know, he's just like how about the waddle? Yeah, bro he's being a bitch to like other characters like I'm just, you know, giving them what they want, but he himself, he's a gangster.

Speaker 3:

He will like you know, start shooting. I'll cut you like a fucking fish when he was being chased, he just you know, he took out one guy by himself.

Speaker 1:

He did you know it is funny because he does show the light that you're talking about. Because, like after like, they buried the first, the guy that killed the first five minutes. What was his name? Al? They throw him in the backseat of that car. He told the guy to help him out and he's like, hey, you should turn around and see that sunset. You know, put him out like a dog.

Speaker 3:

Like what the fuck dog, that was wild.

Speaker 1:

They put that light out real quick bro. He's like look, man, you know who the fuck we just killed. It's a lot easier to put you in the bag bro Because he's right, he's 100% right, bro, you know what they'll do to you the whole time he was setting up, he's like, oh, he's going to kill him right here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I thought he was going to show more of the penguin being penguin.

Speaker 3:

Well, no, no, no, caught when he's like the little bet. We caught the little bastard that was with you and I was like oh, they got him, bro.

Speaker 2:

I thought it was gonna be a plot twist yeah I was like, oh man, he's gonna throw him under the bus.

Speaker 3:

That's fucked up. And I was like, oh, it's this other kid. Fuck that guy, bro. Boom, is that what you wanted me to do?

Speaker 2:

yeah, it is so it's the whole hour. It worked out. It worked out great. But you know what In that?

Speaker 3:

moment for me. In that moment. I was like ooh you, little rat bastard, you do anything to save your skin, won't you?

Speaker 2:

She said it, she called him out for it. That's what my thing was. You don't give a fuck about anybody's life, but your own. He's right. What would you do for this family? But yeah, the whole hour you never know if this big kid His name is Big right, victor Aguilar, you know it's like. Is he going to be dead by the end of the episode?

Speaker 3:

Is he going to?

Speaker 2:

make it all the way I agree.

Speaker 1:

Well, they're saying that. It may be Like they're pushing. These are comments. I saw Victor Zaz. He may be Victor Zaz, the guy that every time he kills somebody he causes a scar here. I saw Victor Zaz, he may be Victor. Zaz. Victor Zaz is the guy that every time he kills somebody, he causes a scar here.

Speaker 2:

No way he in some of the runs he serves penguins. Yeah, he works with penguins. They got some connections in the comic book.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, he'll do jobs for penguins. Yeah, hey, yeah.

Speaker 3:

That would make sense. That's how he starts out. A guy with a stutter, and you know, that's why he gives him a shot. I like how they gave that in the behind the scenes oh, they gave it in the behind the scenes Like a penguin has a disability, so therefore he sees.

Speaker 2:

So the stutter. He thought it was a disability. I thought it was a little bit of a stretch. It is, but it still works. It still works it still works.

Speaker 1:

Because he does his first crime cut himself to cope with, uh, with the crime he just did, you know, and obviously he can't leave because pinging will gut him.

Speaker 2:

You know, I'm pushing it, you know that'd be an interesting like end game, because right now he's even squimmish about like cutting the head of a cadaver yeah, but I think just as is like an ultimate serial killer.

Speaker 3:

Yeah you know what, though, the way he broke it down makes it a serial killer type. You know why Do you go from the front. But then I thought what happens when I hit the the trach, the trach.

Speaker 2:

And then I thought going from the back but then I thought spine, picture the spine, you know bone.

Speaker 3:

And that's just hard. And I was like, oh, fucking chill, that's enough. And I'm like, but he was so casual about it though, the kid wasn't freaked out, he was just, I didn't know which way to do it.

Speaker 2:

It wasn't that he couldn't do it, I just got confused. Well I mean, but he's like, but then I started thinking like he sees it in his head. Yeah, so in that aspect you can see how he could get. He could go dark.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yes like you see, the birth of a serial killer, you know, because he, you know, with penguin, and that's what I think, because penguin kills you saw it at the beginning, like at the end of gangsters is what they call. They're all serial killers. All, all gangsters are serial killers because they just, you know, you, we all get offended, bro, we always somebody makes fun of our argument, we're gonna kill a man because they, we're gonna probably cry and walk away, just kill him. Yeah, but that, but penguin is a killer, killer, you know.

Speaker 3:

No, 100%. I think it's so gangster man. I think it's cool as shit. Which?

Speaker 1:

I think is like so whenever him and Vic go to that house, I was thinking that they will play the name of Cobblepot, because in that scene where he's being told what to do, yeah, he's a small character but, like I mentioned references, a reference I'm bringing up and I'm pushing it here is Goodfellas. For example, Ray Liotta's character and Robert De Niro's character, although they're associated with the mob, they weren't Italian. Ray Liotta's character was like half Jewish, half Italian and De Niro's character was half Irish, half Italian, but they were what they were called associates, right? So my theory is that Cobblepot like grew up just like Ray Liotta, Robert De Niro's character, in an Italian mob-like neighborhood, but he was never one of them. He was always an associate because he's probably English. I think they will play the character Kabupat, because it's not really like. I'm just theorizing with the structure.

Speaker 2:

I can see that in the background because obviously he was exposed to this Calabrese character his childhood and you can see in the teaser that we're probably going to get a flashback episode. I'll be interested to see him in the flashback episode no-transcript have a real uh kabo pot's backstory there's the comics where, like it was, yeah but I mean live action killed his brothers.

Speaker 3:

Oh interesting okay spoilers.

Speaker 1:

I didn't know he's an. You know that's what Batman goes after, is that?

Speaker 2:

So we'll have to see if the TV series goes a different way. Yeah, but I'm excited to see the first live action take Because like you said, they already mixed things up.

Speaker 3:

It's already got a Sopranos touch. So, I'm curious how it's going to go going forward. It'll be going forward.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, seen when they're going up to the house, uh, to the falcone house, and they kind of show big is amazed at how yeah, they live. That's an interesting team in the show that they're setting up. Uh, because it's an interesting part of gotham city how the one percent of gotham city is always like a way so much richer than you know the you know it also helped.

Speaker 3:

It helped set up the slums in gotham. For me, you know, like because gotham's always been like all right, this is the bad side, this is the the rich side, but we never really got the chance to see, like how it got to be like that yeah now, the flood is now instilled. Hey, I saw that your building that you lived in is gone oh yeah, that was crazy.

Speaker 2:

He's like neighborhood uh, which is uh. I mean it gets referenced in the batman right. Well, yeah, he says like that was one of the hardest hit ones and it's one of the poorest neighborhoods yeah, he's like so that shit's gone.

Speaker 3:

So I'm like, oh, so now they've already established this is a place. Now crime runs rampant. There's a gap inside the power system. Drugs are on short supply everybody, you know I'm like oh shit this is gotham dog, yeah now it makes sense for batman to come out. You know like now he's kicking ass on a deadly basis versus him, waiting for a big bad to come out.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely I wonder, I mean, if batman's gonna show up the way they're setting up the series. I could see like him not showing up at all and I'll be okay with it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah if we just hit a reference of bruce wayne, I'd be happy like, if like he wraps it up like on the last episode or something like he wraps it, like I can see him wrapping up like the third season, where like couple pockets too big shit happens. And then like he beats his enemies, and after he beats his enemy he thinks he won and suddenly like the windows shatter right, like fucking six foot five bum, bum, bum, bum bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum bum. You know yeah absolutely the Apollo's dry as fuck. It breaks his foot.

Speaker 3:

I know Health insurance breaks his foot. Now talk. Oh, they show his foot.

Speaker 2:

That shit was fucked up. Oh yeah.

Speaker 3:

Well, you know, I thought that was cool that he gave him the penguin walk, he gave him the waddle.

Speaker 2:

The waddle Because the fucked up foot and I was like damn dog. It makes it grounds it in reality so much.

Speaker 3:

So you know what I loved about his acting was so peak, bro. This isn't. This isn't uh like uh for scorsese. This isn't fucking robert de niro. This isn't the next italian mom movie, bro, this is for dc. This is for batman dog.

Speaker 2:

This was great I think, like anybody, I think anybody could watch it too. Like you don't have to be a comic book fan to like see this show and guess what, and guess what you didn't have. You don't have to be a comic book fan to like see this show.

Speaker 1:

And guess what? It's a gangster show on its own.

Speaker 3:

And guess what? You don't have to watch 20 movies to then watch this. You got one movie in this. Yeah and guess what I think.

Speaker 2:

Possibly you could jump into it without watching the Batman.

Speaker 3:

You could Possibly.

Speaker 2:

Because it gives you no backstory.

Speaker 3:

But you know what, though, I'll say with this first episode, it gives damn near anything Marvel's put out in the past Besides Loki. It gives damn near anything else a run for its money.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. Tv show-wise 100% I think DC TV shows have always been peak.

Speaker 3:

I just love the groundiness of it, bro, how it's like this is just a regular everyday guy, starting from the bottom, working on his way up, and you're like, oh, by the way, he's a Batman villain.

Speaker 2:

What, oh shit.

Speaker 1:

The guy that becomes like the hint.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, because there's no hint to Batman, it's all him.

Speaker 1:

At the end, we know how it ends it's either him or Skull. What's his name? Skullface, not Skullface. Blackskull. Yeah, him, blacksk got them, like the city divided between them, to point blank period.

Speaker 2:

okay yeah, so, yeah, so it'd be cool to get a reference to black skull big mobsters I can see them becoming like season two villain or something like that, absolutely like long-term game 100 human gregor. I want to see like how many more references they're going to be to like batman universe, to the comics, because obviously, uh, the batman movie kind of grounded very much in reality like the riddler was nothing like his comic revers version. Yeah man?

Speaker 1:

yeah, killer. And then you have a terror, serial terror, yes the cat woman, I mean an actual cat burglar, a legit cat burglar. She was a legit cat burglar, she'd be fucking too.

Speaker 2:

And she throws it back a bit so how many of the characters it sounds like when they beat it up how many of the characters sounds like.

Speaker 2:

That's how it goes bro, he's gotta hit it in slow motion too, he has to bro anyway, bro, what were? We saying oh how many, how many more characters might be like set up in this show, specifically because Sofia does get her. There's a scene where you find out a little bit more about her background. She's like what did they used to call me? They tell you the Hangman that was her character name in the comic book run because she was also in a serial killer in the comic book run.

Speaker 3:

I thought that was interesting.

Speaker 2:

That was her name, the Hangman. That comes from the comic books. Obviously she's not a comic book character, which is very much grounded in reality, but she does have her comic book name.

Speaker 3:

I think that's cool, but I also think it's going to be dope that we're going to get her backstory of how she got caught.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, we're going to see her in prison, like somehow.

Speaker 3:

Cabal Paz, we're going to get Arkham dog, arkham Asylum, yeah.

Speaker 2:

There's a little bit. It's like I'm not mad at what you did to me, or something.

Speaker 3:

Something like that.

Speaker 2:

yeah, it's like do you regret what you did to me?

Speaker 3:

He's like nah Nah.

Speaker 2:

I will never regret what you do to me. You know what I like.

Speaker 3:

I never forget. You know what I like. All right, the Asylum looks similar to what Joker's does Like. Okay, from a totally different reference, but the Joker.

Speaker 1:

I hope we do not get a Joker at all.

Speaker 2:

No, no, no, no, I hope we don't. It was in the Batman.

Speaker 1:

I know, but I hope we don't get him at all. I hope he's just teased throughout the movie? Oh yeah, Because Batman has so many more rogue villains yes, the Gallery of Rogues.

Speaker 2:

Did you the little bit of news about the Batman that came out?

Speaker 1:

No, the second movie Wintertime when they're thinking, mr Freeze.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, oh is it. I didn't know. I didn't hear about that. I knew the wintertime.

Speaker 1:

Cold death to Mr Wayne Batman.

Speaker 2:

The rumors are that it's going to be in wintertime and maybe Mr Freeze will be there, that'd action.

Speaker 3:

He can still do it bro.

Speaker 1:

Oh, you're right, yeah, I understand why?

Speaker 2:

Why wouldn't it be recasted at all?

Speaker 3:

Let me ask you a better question who would be a better Blade? Wesley Snipes? Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2:

You don't recast the ghost.

Speaker 3:

Bro, come on, bro you don't recast the ghost. His shit was great. You know he's a better actor now than what he was. Everybody chill, Cool down. You know what It'd be cool to see?

Speaker 1:

him get another attempt at it as Old man Freeze. Remember when he did that he was like cool as hell.

Speaker 2:

Chill. Batman Forever is such a trip. No, Batman and Robin Batman and Robin.

Speaker 1:

My favorite scene is when he's wearing his coat and he's telling all his minions to sing the Christmas song.

Speaker 3:

They're all freezing their ass off. I sick of this shit.

Speaker 2:

I'm fucked up. Tim Burton, batman Universe Was such a trip.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, shit was funny.

Speaker 2:

Back to the penguin. Who's gonna be?

Speaker 3:

The next Frieza.

Speaker 1:

Remember when he fell and he had wings and shit and he just like what.

Speaker 2:

I forgot about that part I guess you gotta rewatch the 90s movies, bro?

Speaker 1:

Is it the one where, like the car, goes up in the roof?

Speaker 3:

Yes, I think that's the one where it goes straight up. No, that's Batman Forever versus Two-Face.

Speaker 1:

It's Jason Two-Face. Val Kilmer was a cool Batman.

Speaker 3:

He wasn't terrible, it was just Jim, bro.

Speaker 1:

Jim wanted to be.

Speaker 2:

George Clooney was the worst. I think it was the Sid. What screwed Val Kilmer over was the nips in the suit.

Speaker 3:

I mean the nips always screw everybody over, bro. Nips have never been good in the suit, the gadgets were cool.

Speaker 1:

Nips have never been cool in suits.

Speaker 3:

bro, you can't give me a cool superhero with nipples that you can see in their suit.

Speaker 1:

None.

Speaker 3:

Zero.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, why worry? I think they just like fuck it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, fuck it. His suit is so tight, you can see his nipples, yeah.

Speaker 3:

Who was the guy that got by in costume design? Nipples Trust bro.

Speaker 2:

Trust. If you can see his abs, you can see his nips.

Speaker 3:

Why wouldn't you be able to see? Come on bro.

Speaker 1:

You see his V-cup, but you don't see his nipples?

Speaker 3:

Where's the aesthetics?

Speaker 1:

He can open it up to get some fresh air.

Speaker 3:

Literally he said dynamite areolas. Literally said dynamite areolas, dynamite areolas bottom nips look he takes a look. They got the bad nipples like piercings on the nipples. Nice bang, oh wow. So anyway, bob, bob, bob Bob.

Speaker 2:

Bob Bob. Oh man, I do want to see more of Robert Pattinson's Batman. I do. I can't wait.

Speaker 1:

I miss a Ben Affleck Batman bro. I miss a Ben Affleck Batman bro. I miss that coming in. I miss coming in.

Speaker 2:

After re-watching the Batman, Robert Pattinson is actually a go-to.

Speaker 3:

He's great, but I would have liked to see some more Batman killing.

Speaker 1:

Batman coming in bro.

Speaker 3:

The only time we get it.

Speaker 1:

Snyder's the only guy who's?

Speaker 2:

like Batman, kills, breaking necks and shit.

Speaker 1:

A 9mm point blank.

Speaker 3:

Just one shot him with a 9mm point blank. Just one time, bro. That's all I needed. You know, he didn't double tap, he actually got stabbed. He was like fuck, I got stabbed. He shot his ass or broke his arm. I forgot what it was. That was so badass when he took that crate and he fucking crushed it over his head. Not talk, batman, he's dead wild. No, he's not, he's pretending he's bleeding from his ears. Oh man, bob, he's dead Wild. No, he's not, he's pretending he's bleeding from his ears. Oh man, bob.

Speaker 2:

Bob, bob, back to the Penguin. We go Back to the matter of hand. Back to the matter of hand, who will be the one to?

Speaker 3:

take over Gotham. Who's going to run the?

Speaker 2:

family.

Speaker 1:

Who's going to run the city? He doesn't ruin it with any like goofy laugh or anything cheesy.

Speaker 2:

There's a lot more humor in just one hour of the penguin than there was in the Batman.

Speaker 3:

Gotta work in that.

Speaker 2:

Not too far I was impressed how many moments I actually laughed. It wasn't even like funny, funny. I don't think it was even meant to be funny. It was just to show you how cringe Penguin is. There was one moment I wanted to bring up.

Speaker 3:

There was one moment where I fucking laughed out loud Because of how funny that fucking was and I wanted to bring it up. I can't remember what it was, but the fact that he had not that it was just the radio, he had the CD dog.

Speaker 2:

He had the CD.

Speaker 3:

He was just jamming that. That shit was turned all the way up.

Speaker 1:

dog, like that's my shit All the way to be a drug dealer Working that 9 to 5. They're moving kilos. No, I'm a pot. You know why? No, it makes sense, Bro.

Speaker 3:

there was layers to that song because he's just like the brown man At the very end.

Speaker 2:

At the very end, they play this song.

Speaker 3:

And the way the song starts is like I wake up, I drink a cup of ambition, yeah, and I gotta get my day started and say let's go, you know let's go get this money, kind of thing, and it's the same thing and I'm like that's the way he feels nine to five involves guns and drugs. Yeah, but he's like he's like I'm working for the man and doing this and doing that. I was like the man is the family. I just thought it was so funny. Layers and specifically about the Layers.

Speaker 2:

Specifically about the ambition and the working to like move your way up. I do like this idea that you know Gotham City has always been this depressing place where, like, nobody makes a name.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

But if you think about it, gotham City is also. There's also opportunity to make a name for yourself.

Speaker 3:

You like it, so they just set that up Like okay maybe there is hope in Gotham.

Speaker 1:

City, not the best kind of criminal well yeah, he's like, he's like.

Speaker 3:

You can keep making it selling rims, trying to barely get by, or yeah, or you can finally make some money yeah, what do you?

Speaker 2:

want to do I was like bro, fuck these rims, you know and it was a kid from like the, you know a poor neighborhood that just got destroyed. I was like I'll take this.

Speaker 3:

I mean yeah, I mean, what are you gonna do shit, I'm working for him, bro, working that 9 to 5.

Speaker 1:

You see what he does, bro. He took him to the storage where he's pushing that stuff which I think that toxin is going to be that scarecrow toxin, that drugs coming in the special drug. That's my theory. It's going to be a fear thing from the scarecrow.

Speaker 3:

If that replaced drops, yeah, that'd be cool.

Speaker 2:

Because I do like the way they're setting up these new drugs that's coming in.

Speaker 3:

I do. I wonder if he's going to fuck it up, because I'm curious. He's just like whoever runs the drops runs the streets. We know this and I'm like, oh so they're already talking like this is just street level shit, heroes for Hire kind of shit, and I do like that when they go to a plant where they're like everybody respects him there.

Speaker 2:

He does get respect, and by his people yeah, he might not be a high level in the Falcone family.

Speaker 3:

But he ain't no scrub. He was just a helper, yeah, but yeah, he ain't no fucking scrub. Yeah, he's not low level yeah.

Speaker 1:

He had his own club. They have to drive him in. Like hey, we're going to tell you in person that we're going to shut down the operation. We're like a gangster. It's not like that's like HR kind of shit. Like hey.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. Come in for a sit down, he even tells him he's like, I'm giving you a courtesy I don't have to give you this shit?

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, and that's why he's trying to leave town. Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Okay, trying to leave town, right yeah, so that's a good segue Getting back.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, oh no, before at the warehouse. I do like the little conversations that he has. He makes like quick decisions. He's like, oh, this guy just came, all right, let's see if we can take him out. And he just said some shit right off, you know.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I did. I like that. He was like all right, take this motherfucker to the back, we don't want to get no blood anywhere.

Speaker 2:

Oh, he grabs the shit that he got from the safe.

Speaker 1:

Hey, I need you to run over this to the DA let's be pals.

Speaker 2:

Let's be pals. I need you to go over and make sure that it comes from me, gotcha penguin.

Speaker 3:

He turns around, he gives him his back as a table bro. He's like calling out orders, yeah, or look, the doc is like man, we saved about 30 of the product, mind you, we got it from sewage waste. Well, fuck it. The people don't know won't hurt him, ain't that right?

Speaker 2:

yes, sir he's still gonna drop him that scientist might be somebody also. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

I hope Since you mentioned Scarecrow.

Speaker 2:

He can maybe fuck with the formula or whatever. He's a doc yeah. But I don't know if Scarecrow, but I just thought he was going to be. I thought he might be some character in general, like that's what I was looking for. It's like what character might become something.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that would be interesting. That would be really cool, man, because I do like the idea that I mean in the movie the Batman.

Speaker 2:

It was set up that he was only two years into being the Batman.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

So this is Batman year one.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, as far as we know, yeah, like there's up and coming, like these are origin stories for all of their roguery. Yeah, the whole entire universe which I loved.

Speaker 3:

It's so original, man, yeah.

Speaker 1:

It's so original, take man or wobble.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's a fresh take. You know, this is like again, like the Last of Us. The Last of Us was a really good game. The story was amazing period. But that's why you're like it's a good, because it was set up to be good.

Speaker 1:

This was just hey, bro, we've had in a long time If you were to tell me it's a one episode special and that's all we're getting.

Speaker 3:

I would have been like I'm ready for the movie.

Speaker 2:

I'm ready for the movie. Yeah, it was an hour and a half right and that was an hour and ten minutes Bro it felt like how many episodes were you in?

Speaker 1:

Like five or something Eight.

Speaker 2:

Eight, yeah, eight episodes were on. Thank you, suki for all the facts. Anyway, no, you said it right Before he runs off, though, at the sit-down a really good scene too he's being told by HR hey, we're going to shut down your branch. That was good. I like that. I didn't even notice it. I thought I was going to get a better reaction.

Speaker 1:

It was so smooth.

Speaker 3:

I thought I was going to get a better reaction. I thought I was going to get a better reaction. I was like, yeah, so HRC can talk to him. They're going to shut down your branch.

Speaker 2:

Anyways, while they're talking to him, I'm shutting down the plant, Not even in focus. You see this figure coming in. And we know it's Sofia, but this is her introduction, so we don't know who she is. But it's not in focus and she just comes up and it kind of changes the mood in the room.

Speaker 1:

Because the other two guys know that she's walking up, so they feel it and they kind of change the way they're talking.

Speaker 2:

They'd be quiet and also, yeah, the music isn't tough anymore. Also, the music changes like the tension rises and you're like who is this menacing? Like she's already a menace and she's not even in focus yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3:

It was that sense of power. You're right, like that's the power, like standing over his shoulder yeah, she's over's, over her, over his shoulder. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

So you know, metaphorically, figuratively, she's also, she's already um over him, over him, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Right, I don't, I don't mean to skip around, but I think it's important to you to show you like the level of power. I want to add onto it Cause and then we're going to bring about right. But I want to bring about like the level where she's like let's go have lunch. And Penguin didn't say like okay. Later he was like oh, you're talking about now, aren't you? Like that's how powerful she is.

Speaker 2:

Like you can't tell her no, You're going to say no to this.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we should totally do lunch. No, I meant now, oh yeah, of course.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I got shit to do Right off. She starts asking questions Immediately. My brother was supposed to. You're bringing up this plan about a drug deal.

Speaker 2:

My brother was supposed to go to your club.

Speaker 1:

What are you doing? You're saying this drug deal, you're doing it as your own name.

Speaker 2:

He's missing and all of a sudden, you're either really stupid or really confident that he's not coming back.

Speaker 3:

Right, Okay, well let's go back and redress it. So he's getting pushed out. He does a Hail Mary and he pitches the brother's idea, which is already dead Right, the sister hears it oh how you know about my brother's plan. And then she asks him. He don't answer immediately. And then she asks his ass to lunch. It's at lunch that she then calls his ass out and was like hey so my brother and I were working on this plan.

Speaker 3:

How the fuck do you know about it and why would you pass it off on your own?

Speaker 2:

Oh shit, and I love the way that he thinks Quink is like we're both in the dark.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I can't believe he lied to me, bro, and that's the thing about Oski.

Speaker 1:

Oski, oski, oski.

Speaker 2:

I'm not from the show, I'm not from the show.

Speaker 1:

I'm not Oz Ozki in the mix, like she said. The tension again is displayed again, because I was kind of at the edge of my seat Me too. What are you going?

Speaker 3:

to say what are you going to say, bro? I don't know, bro, I was like you got me, bro, I'm cut.

Speaker 1:

Oh, he's shy about it.

Speaker 3:

He made me want to do it just because I, like this, can't pull that dress, but he kind of he didn't hold it at the end. At the end of it I was like damn, did he really just in the?

Speaker 1:

beginning you know it's bullshit. When he starts it is terrible. It goes to show me characters about. He's like quick on his feet, like yeah, he's still a smart character.

Speaker 3:

He's very witty, yes, very witty, absolutely evil genius right it's like a kingpin yeah, yeah, that level intellect shit. Yes, yeah, that's how.

Speaker 2:

I think that's why he's standing up to be the king thing. I've got them yeah at this point, and uh, after the lunch, though, they're walking away and they're like saying their goodbyes and she's like um everybody everybody doubted you doubted you. It's like I know you're more than I knew you were great.

Speaker 3:

I knew you were destined for. I knew you were capable of more.

Speaker 2:

I know you were capable of more yeah and in that moment you can see. See that, okay, first of all she's kind of crazy, kind of hot. Yes, very Both. The craziness makes her hotter.

Speaker 1:

The way she looked at it, the way she was dressed all black when he was getting tortured. She was fine. I thought it was kind of crazy.

Speaker 3:

Bro, absolutely that's jumping. But yes, yes.

Speaker 2:

I mean and the fact that she wields his power. I mean and the fact that she wields his power.

Speaker 3:

I mean it's, I mean it's cool, I mean I get it. I get it. I see the appeal.

Speaker 2:

Don't want to get too much into it. But you can see in that moment that she still like bouts him and she's still even playing with him, oh yeah yeah, she's hyping him up absolutely, you know she's fucking with him and that's what he knows.

Speaker 3:

That's why immediately he goes home.

Speaker 2:

He's like I'm out of here I'm out.

Speaker 3:

He's like mom, get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2:

I fucked up.

Speaker 3:

If she don't know, I'm already caught. It's a wrap, and that's it. But his mom's sick, though we don't know what she's sick of.

Speaker 2:

The tub is full of pills. What the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 3:

She's talking about the other kids, which would be his brothers, but they're dead at this point for some rhyme or reason, because he's already said that.

Speaker 2:

Or they might be. Well, I'm assuming, we're assuming, I'm assuming, yeah, we're assuming, but yeah, that would make sense.

Speaker 3:

But that would make sense. If the kids are dead, they've been dead for a long time and she's talking about them. She's talking about the. He doesn't correct her, he's like alright, well, let's make sure you switch your meds.

Speaker 2:

I mean going back To what we said In the beginning. I mean she tells him it's like my man raised no bitch.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you sound like A fucking pussy boy. You sound like A fucking pussy boy.

Speaker 1:

Dude Fuck Tim O yeah.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

It's like you didn't. What did she say? You didn't react Like you.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, you knew what you were doing. You knew what you were doing, it wasn't fear.

Speaker 2:

It was instinctual.

Speaker 1:

Damn bro. Somebody was fucking with you and you didn't like it, so you took care of it.

Speaker 2:

I was like the way she hyped it. Bro, what are you going to do about the city?

Speaker 3:

This is your moment. You seize this power, you take this and you make this something for yourself.

Speaker 2:

I was listening like, okay, yeah, the fucking podcast is going to take over. This is your moment. You seize this power, you take this and you make this something for yourself. You know I was listening like, okay, yeah, the fucking podcast is gonna take over, let's go.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, bro, why are you? Doing the key monitor facts, bro the mom bro, the power of the mother.

Speaker 2:

The power of the mother. You can see that he says it. Uh, it was a shift, whatever that darkness is, because I mean, if he's a light character or a good character, then he would, you know, try to run away. But then that darkness Takes over in him and he's like, yeah.

Speaker 3:

Parental support is a motherfucker, isn't it?

Speaker 1:

Dude, dude, dude, bro. Like you hear that, bro, you're one of the bounces, bro From your own parents. Facts, bro.

Speaker 3:

You're not just going to run the block, you're going to run the town. You know what I'm saying? You ready, make moves. I'm waiting.

Speaker 2:

Shit. All right, mom. Interesting that he does set up a whole plan he does After that, after that, a whole everything we talk about that. Meet with Mar. He was Salvatore. Yeah, I'm here to offer my services to you. Yeah, I was shocked.

Speaker 1:

They brought him out because I thought he was dead.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I thought he was dead.

Speaker 1:

I thought the whole point of the Batman was like you know, you got rid of him, we got rid of him. I didn't realize like we get rid of him. He's in jail. Yeah, he's in jail.

Speaker 2:

They busted his drug operation, yeah, to offer me services. But I don't think that's why he was, because we find out towards the end. That whole meeting was a play. That whole meeting was a play he doesn't even really want to offer him or work with him at all. What that whole meeting was about was about giving him the ring.

Speaker 3:

That's all it was, everything was about that I didn't realize it. I was like, oh, and I thought that was his Hail Mary. Then my last ditch ever for you to trust me, and it was. I mean, as far as the audience knew we were aware of, that's what it was.

Speaker 2:

And then obviously the big reveal is fuck you in that ring yes which, uh, I mean that was the big thing at the end and that was his whole play.

Speaker 3:

He was gonna he got a war he got big to uh drive that car into the house that she came in clutch with that, with the body but I like how he tried to talk shit, so remember he's he was like bro, we had a plan, what happened. We had a plan, what happened. And that's when he talks about the whole next one. But real quick, the torture. That shit was wild. The fucking fish, the metal fish wire whatever the fuck it was.

Speaker 3:

It looked painful, it was metal or something, dog, it was cutting into his ass, or it was fishing wire. I couldn't tell you. You know, probably fishing wire, yeah, yeah yeah Like, oh that shit, there's nothing you can do. It was all the way to the bone. Yeah, and it's all meat. Bro, there's nothing here. It's not until you get to the bone on the shoulder you stop it with that bitch.

Speaker 2:

Oh, except for Gracie, then.

Speaker 3:

They put him in a whole bodysuit. It's still him. Oh shit, he acted that good. That motherfucker was getting cut up.

Speaker 1:

I keep thinking it's somebody else. I keep forgetting it's Colin Farrell, bro.

Speaker 3:

There was only one moment where I was like, oh, it looks like Colin Farrell, one moment out of the entire hour and 10 minutes there was one moment where you could see it, and especially because I think he's Scottish, yeah. English, irish, irish but for like one line, his real Scottish accent came out. Yeah, he did. The Hulk is Mayweather. Yeah, that came out.

Speaker 2:

And I was like ooh.

Speaker 1:

You can see his character.

Speaker 2:

But other than that he's like you forget that he's in there Phen in there, phenomenal.

Speaker 3:

I mean all the tony bro, give him the big gal bro oscar tony, whatever they gave for the tv level max award.

Speaker 2:

I saw I saw an interview that uh, being in that suit, he's just constantly sweating. So they, they made the the sets like super cold, but everybody was so cold that they couldn't act, you know. So then they set up a cooling tent just for him him, just for him, so he like acts for two minutes.

Speaker 3:

And then goes.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, he gets so hot that in between takes he has to go in the cooling tent because of how hot that shit is, Damn and how cold that shit is.

Speaker 1:

You gotta be quick on those acting. Yeah, yeah, you can't get this wrong.

Speaker 2:

He's gotta give the take they cut. He goes in the other tent.

Speaker 1:

That's the thing, bro.

Speaker 3:

That's commitment to the character. That is commitment to the character, 100%.

Speaker 1:

You got to sit down for hours for that makeup, you know, for that mask to come in.

Speaker 2:

It's so random. Let me be committed to playing the penguin Of all characters.

Speaker 3:

That's what I'm saying. Like if this is what DC produces as the future of their superhero movies, bro, I'm all for it. Like if at that point now we start talking about movies or or superhero movies being oscars are nominated, you know, I'm saying ryan reynolds and, uh, deadpool, I mean, I don't think that. No, no, no, they're not gonna get it. But the fact that they're even good, but the performances went oscar worthy hugh jackman was good but anyway, I guess it was good he was good.

Speaker 3:

I'm not. I mean tell you what, let me see the competition and then I'll, then I'll, I'll knock him out, and then there'll be a guy.

Speaker 1:

Cries about his shoe in the journal in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, I don't see if that shit yeah.

Speaker 3:

Anyway, I digress. Going back to like again. This could be like Some serious again. Emmys bro, Right here in my mind.

Speaker 2:

With this. I kind of want James Gunn's New DC Universe, Like I want the Batman To be included in it back to back, to back to back with this I kind of want james gunn's new um dc universe, like I want the batman to be included in the main dc universe, like the new superman movie, the new james gunn superman movie.

Speaker 3:

I would like it to somehow be connected to I think it's gonna be his own thing, though, right like the batman's universe, snyder verse is gonna be or not snyder also the joker what's his face? James gunn? No, no, the guy. The guy who's actually matt reeves.

Speaker 2:

It's like the matt reeves, uh batman universe right he's got his own separate thing yeah, but I mean it'll be cool if they somehow connect oh yeah, absolutely your universe.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, bro, there's mother boxes. I mean, there's something with the penguin.

Speaker 2:

It's like well, if they could do a whole side story in the penguin, and you know why it's not connected to the bigger universe?

Speaker 3:

yeah, and there's still so many more characters. Again, his rogue gallery is still so vast, yeah, so vast.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, guys, all right, thank you for coming to this meeting, any predictions before we end. Yeah, Victor Saaz is him. It's him, Victor Saaz. I like that.

Speaker 2:

Okay, so the kid is going to become a super guest.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I'm hoping that there's like three seasons, you know, after every other Batman movie, and it concludes with Batman picking up the casino. He becomes Cobblepot, the number one gangster in all of Gotham, and then suddenly Batman comes in and just cleans him up. You know, he was just waiting for him to become like consolidate the power.

Speaker 3:

I like it, you know it'd be cool if he broke him all the way down or threw him back in jail and then he has to get out and start back again, but this time he already has the grounding. So now he quickly rebuilds his empire and gets better.

Speaker 2:

Season 4, you know, I think we might get a Batman cameo this first season.

Speaker 3:

Nice.

Speaker 2:

But I mean, that would be fucking badass.

Speaker 3:

You know what we're going to get? Some cool people, I think. Introduce their cameo in Arkham Asylum.

Speaker 2:

I'll say that that was going to be my take. I think whenever we get Sophia's backstory in Arkham, we we're probably going to meet some of the female and we get a clay face. That'd be crazy. Or, I don't know, maybe a big name, maybe we meet Dr Harling Quinsell. That'd be cool.

Speaker 3:

Before the shit goes south. That'd be dope.

Speaker 2:

Because the Joker did get the easter egg and the Batman.

Speaker 1:

I mean or Dr Ugo.

Speaker 2:

Dr Ugo, it's a guy, or Dr Ugo, dr Ugo? Yeah, it's a guy named Dr Ugo yeah. He played a big part in the video game.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, oh okay, okay, okay, Like a psychologist bad guy.

Speaker 3:

That would be interesting to introduce again the Arkham aspect of it the games. We're going to get the Arkham. I played 1 and 2. The third one.

Speaker 1:

I never played it, but 1 and 2 were awesome.

Speaker 3:

No, I mean, I think that's what they're talking about in the next Batman, in addition to also doing the Wintertime.

Speaker 1:

Oh no, year 1 was also to play that one, so that was also close, yeah, but.

Speaker 3:

I just heard about that.

Speaker 2:

And then Depression, and Moronison is Blackgate, blackgate Pen. So again, just more big names. I mean, the names are there. Yeah, there's so many opportunities, so I think we're definitely. But then again, I mean, the Batman wasn't a movie, that was like Easter egg happy, that's true.

Speaker 3:

Yes, if you guys got a chance to.

Speaker 2:

So I think, the penguin. There might also be a thing where the penguin is just going to stick to the plot.

Speaker 3:

Drop it in the comments. I want to know if it was. Was it a link like Ratalata Right, I forgot about the Ratalata bro, ratalatacom.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

I fucking forgot about that shit. No, guns. Man, that's your rule. Alright, guys, I think this is a good episode. Yeah, we're wrapping it up. I think we're done with this meeting. Thank you for joining the family. You're dismissed, suki. Where's my music? All right, ladies and gentlemen, this is the WBM Podcast. This is one of your hosts. It's your boy, mert. Please make sure you guys are following us on all of our social medias At WBM underscore podcast, Instagram, youtube, twitter, all that jazz.

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